1990 Overnighter, bad news?

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I've been going back and forth with a dealer over this 1990 Overnighter with a 1990 175hp yamaha. The dealer is selling the boat for the owner. Currently they will accept $6,000. The motor is perfect, the trailer is hammered. Dealer says the floor is solid and the transom seems strong.

One concern is if this will be enough boat for the delaware bay were 3-4's can be common?

Also, I am reeeally concerned about the transom. I here they are prone to rot in this model. I have attached some pictures, one showing a stress crack. Dealer says this is nothing to worry about, but I don't feel comfortable taking his word for it.

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JC,

Do you make it a habit of going out in the bay when you shouldn't? My neighbor had an older one of them (70's vintage) and he used to run that boat everywhere, even 30 off to troll for bluefin. With any boat in the 3'-4' chop short period chop of delwaware bay you are going to have to slow down and adjust your trim to run w/o beating up yourself and the boat...they are built like tanks and heavy for their size......the thing with the transom is to make sure that water has not been entering it..that geal coat crack at the top of the transom may not be anything to worry about. If it was at the top of the cutout (like on my boat) where water could be draining into the lower part of the tranny saturating the wood core...that would be a problem.....
 

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Spend $400 or so on a survey and that should include a moisture test.
Personally, I don't like the location of that 'stress' crack at all. I would probably walk away. That is not an area that normally flexes unless there is excessive flexing at the stern.
 

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Thanks for the advice! I'm pretty safe when venturing out, but it's nice to know that the boat can get you back in case things turn to crap! Was you neighbor happy with his boat?
 

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seasick said:
Spend $400 or so on a survey and that should include a moisture test.
Personally, I don't like the location of that 'stress' crack at all. I would probably walk away. That is not an area that normally flexes unless there is excessive flexing at the stern.

I'm gonna go check her out this Saturday, haven't had a chance to yet and will definitely get a survey if I decide to make an offer. I kinda figured the same thing about the location, the only thing I can think of is the transom is rotten and the stress from people climbing up and down on the swim platform caused it. But what do I know, I've only had aluminum boats!
 

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My neighbor had his 20 grady for about 10 years and moved up to a 25 Mako as he wanted to fish farther offshore. how far down the gunnel does that crack go? If you are worried about it, have the boat surveyed. If you buy it, seal that crack with marinetex and watch to see if it is getting any wider...have someone climb on the swim step and see of the crack opens up or not...
 

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hi There

I bought an 1989 G/W 204 Overnighter just about 2 years ago in Baltimore MD
I had my boat surveyed (hull survey and V6 yamaha engine compression test). The guy did a great job, well worth the money. I learned a lot and after I paid for the survey I was able to negotiate with the owner on a few small things, so it paid for itself!
Also that transom is about 3" thick, there shouldn't be flexing from hanging on the swim step.
I sometimes check CL and yachtworld on what my type of boat is asking/selling for and there seem to be lots of G/w's that age out there. You worked hard for the money, so I would buy the best one that you can afford.

good luck
David E.
 

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In my opinion 6K for that boat is alot of money. it seems to be in really rough shape and the corrosion on that 175 is pretty far along. i would wait for a cleaner boat to come along. Good luck
 

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Thanks guys, this is a great forum. I'll take you advice and pass on this one. Seems like it has headache written all over it! I'll find another one eventually!
 

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JC,

Only YOU can decide what a boat is worth to you and you need to go and see it in person and determine what is corrosion or damaged as opposed to what is just dirty and will shine like a penny after a little time with the power washer. Up here in NJ, boats are not hanging from davits or sitting on a lift 99.5% of the time...they are usually floating in the salt water or sitting in a marina where they are getting dirty and dusty and afterall the boat is 20 years old. If that one gelcoat crack is the only belmish on the boat, it is in tremendous shape for a 20 year old New Jersey boat. Some guys will only consider a boat that looks like it has been stored in a garage and they will spend season after season looking for that boat. Most of us that actually use our boats seldom have the time to keep them in pristine conditon. I have had more problems with boats that just sat unused...systems are decaying and not getting fixed. Fuel decays, gels and engines get all screwed up by not being run. The best boat you can find is one that is used regularly..the ones that sit are rarely ever "stored" properly. The Grady I bought was dirty and in rough shape..2 gallons of bleach and a weekend of scrubbing and I was out in the ocean fishing..I even brought her home the day after the sea trial which entailed a 30 mile ocean run...after checking the pumps and putting in some fuel, off I went since the seller had run the boat all summer..well some of the summer as he bought a new boat...but it was in the water being used. The boat I bought before the Grady (1988 21 Mako) was stored on a trailer under a cover..it LOOKED in perfect shape until I got it home and started using it...the fuel was old and screwed up..the engine needed a bunch of work as stuff was failing after I started running it, etc...some of the biggest project boats I have owned over the years were ones that did not get much use and sat and corroded/decayed. I have a 36 year old 17' Mako that looks her age as she has been wet-slipped most of her life..she has stress cracks, worn areas, soft sections of the floor (for the last 10 years), etc...some guys would rip her apart and say she is not worth $1,000..but I can climb off my dock and take that boat to sea any day of the week with 100% confidence and she performs just as good as a new boat, but just does not look quite as pretty,but all her systems have been updated and are maintained. I would be more concerned with what I cant see by looking at picture. How dirty is the bilge. How old are the scupper drain hoses. How about the fuel tank..had the deck hatch been kept sealed well to keep water out. Are all the fuel hoses original (non-ethanol rated)..that is the major stuff. Any boat can be cleaned to look good. The 230 I bought is all original and I knew that going in. I can replace hoses, tanks, etc as I have done all that before..a few times. I believe that I got my Gulfstream at a great price for the overall condition of the boat and the newer power on it. I am going to have to spend some time and money to upgrade all the old systems, but once I do that I will have an awesome fishing boat at a reasonable investment..much less than buying a new boat..probably 1/5th the cost of a new one...enjoy your search..this should be a fun time for you. The boat shows are coming up soon..you can go and check out different types of boats and get a feel for different sizes...then go and look for that great deal on a used boat...
 

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I would rather pay 10k for a better boat. Stay away from this boat. How did that crack get there? Thats a very bad spot for a crack. Boat looks bad to me. I would not pay 2k for it. Just me 2 cents. Look around more and you will find a better deal.
 

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where they are getting dirty and dusty and afterall the boat is 20 years old.

Doesn't take too many pics to see this boat is a potential disaster. I'd tell the dealer to get it detailed and you'll take a closer look. Oh, and stress cracks are little spidery things, not 1/16" wide canyons. I bought my '86 when it was 20, and it was clean as a whistle because the owner kept it that way. This owner, where ever they reside, should be prosecuted for GW owner neglect ... :doh
 

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I agree with Curmudgeon, those are not "stress cracks". Those look like movement cracks that go deeper than just the gel coat. And, if you are getting movement there, you have a problem with the transom. Plan on spending a lot of money and/or sweat on this boat after you buy it.