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considering E-TECH 300hp
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GWcpa
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GWcpa
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Did not know they were shipping. Any tests out there yet to read?
Looke like it would be a great match for an Islander.
http://www.brp.com/en-US/Products/Evinr ... ID=ETEC300
Looke like it would be a great match for an Islander.
http://www.brp.com/en-US/Products/Evinr ... ID=ETEC300
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HP is good choice for the Islander, boat will fly!
Don't know the weight of the motor, I presume similar to 300 HPDI then just fine.
The most important consideration today, in my opinion, with any new motor of any technolgy, to be sure you have superior dealer after-the-sale support. It is always assumed by anyone buying a new motor, who has never had warranty issue experience, no problems should happen since it's new. However, if you do, and the dealer is a shoemaker, you will regret the day.
See if you can get the extended warranty included.
Good luck.
Don't know the weight of the motor, I presume similar to 300 HPDI then just fine.
The most important consideration today, in my opinion, with any new motor of any technolgy, to be sure you have superior dealer after-the-sale support. It is always assumed by anyone buying a new motor, who has never had warranty issue experience, no problems should happen since it's new. However, if you do, and the dealer is a shoemaker, you will regret the day.
See if you can get the extended warranty included.
Good luck.
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CaptK. & others
there are several factors many consider in picking a dealer, that have nothing to do with price, I only speak of price, if it means anything.
And you have some time, one day or two.
Good for cars, boats, motors, lawnmovers , or most anything, incl outboard motors.
Let's say you want etec, fine, keep that a secret, can you?
Go shopping face to face not on internet - for repowing 250 or 300 Verado, HPDI, Optimax, F250, Suzie, get your best price, go to one or more dealers of each, write down all details, what's incl, not incl., rebates, warranties, free service credits, etc. Make a chart and study it, remember it, cary it with you.
Now you are a graduate of BobP school of consumer education training. Congratulations!
Did you keep the secret?
Now go to etec dealer of your choice last, say you are shopping, evaluate all other factors picking him that mean something to you other than price.
When he gives you a price and all other details, now you can negotiate since you have a basis to. if another offers a better warranty, say it, that is worth a value, etc. The etec dealer is now in competition with other motor brands, he wasn't if you didn't graduate and flunked out.
Did you give up the secret? if you did, he isn't competing with anyone.
You may find the initial price etec deal good, or not, or even a much better deal with other motors mentioned. If he or anyone gives you list price, well, that says it all about how he needs your business.
Did you give the secret up? Never do. That's why it's secret.
You may save enough to get one free season of gas! And perhaps a beer for me! Good luck.
there are several factors many consider in picking a dealer, that have nothing to do with price, I only speak of price, if it means anything.
And you have some time, one day or two.
Good for cars, boats, motors, lawnmovers , or most anything, incl outboard motors.
Let's say you want etec, fine, keep that a secret, can you?
Go shopping face to face not on internet - for repowing 250 or 300 Verado, HPDI, Optimax, F250, Suzie, get your best price, go to one or more dealers of each, write down all details, what's incl, not incl., rebates, warranties, free service credits, etc. Make a chart and study it, remember it, cary it with you.
Now you are a graduate of BobP school of consumer education training. Congratulations!
Did you keep the secret?
Now go to etec dealer of your choice last, say you are shopping, evaluate all other factors picking him that mean something to you other than price.
When he gives you a price and all other details, now you can negotiate since you have a basis to. if another offers a better warranty, say it, that is worth a value, etc. The etec dealer is now in competition with other motor brands, he wasn't if you didn't graduate and flunked out.
Did you give up the secret? if you did, he isn't competing with anyone.
You may find the initial price etec deal good, or not, or even a much better deal with other motors mentioned. If he or anyone gives you list price, well, that says it all about how he needs your business.
Did you give the secret up? Never do. That's why it's secret.
You may save enough to get one free season of gas! And perhaps a beer for me! Good luck.
gradyfish22
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Excellent advice Bob!!!! Even if you are heart set on something never tell a salesmen that...if he knows you want it nomatter what he will try his best to make as much off of you that he can. If he thinks he has to work for a sale and you might go else where he will be willing to make less for the sale just to win you over...this may even mean walking away, even if you do plan to buy it or even go back...if your not satisfied tell them you need to think about it a few days and talk it over with the wife.....when they call tell them you love the engine but the wife is persuading you to go with another due to a better deal/warranty, etc, your still unsure and between the two now...make him do better. Especially right now, it is a buyers market and they will be willing to deal more for a sale, just to move product even at little profit, because in the end you will use them for service and other things where they can make money off you in the end.
Letting any salesmen know you are going to buy their product is like throwing hard earned money away.
Letting any salesmen know you are going to buy their product is like throwing hard earned money away.
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captkfly said:OK guys, thanks for the great "buying advice." Now let's get back to the 300hp E-TECH. Good engine or bad engine for a Grady. What is the word out there on the E-TECH engines...........
Here are some comments from etec 300 hp owners on the FS forum:
Posted by Slingnbait:
"I am running one on a Canyon Bay 2475, I had a 250 on it before and I think the 250 performed better than the 300. I can tell you this it sucks alot more gas at all speeds than the 250 did and I am getting about the same speed at WOT. "
Posted by Papalambo:
Ditto to Slingnbait.I have a 300 E-Tec on a 23' BayBolt and don't run any better than I did with a 250.I'm barely breaking 50.I brought it back to the dealer to see if he could run a different prop or something to pick up a few mph's.The boat did 50 with the 250,and I traded it for the 300 to gain what I was told would be 3-4 mph.So far it ain't happinin.I'm pretty disappointed.
http://outdoorsbest.zeroforum.com/zerothread?id=742446
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Apologise for continuing "buying advice" , but you did ask for it and I have some questions... beyond the excellent advice below :?:captkfly said:Please give all advice on how to negotiate...............
BobP said:CaptK. & others
there are several factors many consider in picking a dealer, that have nothing to do with price, I only speak of price, if it means anything.
And you have some time, one day or two.
Good for cars, boats, motors, lawnmovers , or most anything, incl outboard motors.
Let's say you want etec, fine, keep that a secret, can you?
Go shopping face to face not on internet - for repowing 250 or 300 Verado, HPDI, Optimax, F250, Suzie, get your best price, go to one or more dealers of each, write down all details, what's incl, not incl., rebates, warranties, free service credits, etc. Make a chart and study it, remember it, cary it with you.
Now you are a graduate of BobP school of consumer education training. Congratulations!
Did you keep the secret?
Now go to etec dealer of your choice last, say you are shopping, evaluate all other factors picking him that mean something to you other than price.
When he gives you a price and all other details, now you can negotiate since you have a basis to. if another offers a better warranty, say it, that is worth a value, etc. The etec dealer is now in competition with other motor brands, he wasn't if you didn't graduate and flunked out.
Did you give up the secret? if you did, he isn't competing with anyone.
You may find the initial price etec deal good, or not, or even a much better deal with other motors mentioned. If he or anyone gives you list price, well, that says it all about how he needs your business.
Did you give the secret up? Never do. That's why it's secret.<...>
:lol: "Barefoot Pilgrim" was what a Miami Ford Salesman called customers he knew were 'going-to-buy'. :lol:gradyfish22 said:Excellent advice Bob!!!! Even if you are heart set on something never tell a salesmen that...if he knows you want it nomatter what he will try his best to make as much off of you that he can. If he thinks he has to work for a sale and you might go else where he will be willing to make less for the sale just to win you over...this may even mean walking away, even if you do plan to buy it or even go back...if your not satisfied tell them you need to think about it a few days and talk it over with the wife.....when they call tell them you love the engine but the wife is persuading you to go with another due to a better deal/warranty, etc, your still unsure and between the two now...make him do better. Especially right now, it is a buyers market and they will be willing to deal more for a sale, just to move product even at little profit, because in the end you will use them for service and other things where they can make money off you in the end.
Letting any salesmen know you are going to buy their product is like throwing hard earned money away.
Would it not be true that your best price will usually be below any Dealer Offer?
After determining the Dealer you want to buy from,
don't you need to drop your 'secret'....by making a firm offer to buy, at a price below the 'offer'?
Auto dealers are most vulnerable for a 'best-deal' on last day of a month,
when inventory carried over to the next month will cost them Bank Floor-Plan fees and lose them monthly incentives,
....would this not also be true for Marine Dealerships? :?:
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I like Bobp school of shopping :wink:
The e-tecs are great. Do some more research to make sure you get the right HP.
On a given block/displacement, my understanding on more HP is on the top end which you never see anyway. For example, for my 208 you can get a 150, 175, or a 200 - all the same block. The 200HO is a bigger block. So for me, the 175 made the most sense. Would have done it if it didn't cost so much to make the change. The e-tec was going to run about $15K and the F150 was only worth about $10K at the time. This was a couple of years ago.
The e-tecs are great. Do some more research to make sure you get the right HP.
On a given block/displacement, my understanding on more HP is on the top end which you never see anyway. For example, for my 208 you can get a 150, 175, or a 200 - all the same block. The 200HO is a bigger block. So for me, the 175 made the most sense. Would have done it if it didn't cost so much to make the change. The e-tec was going to run about $15K and the F150 was only worth about $10K at the time. This was a couple of years ago.
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Pilot - there is an influence involved with the particular salesman you go in and get, on any particular day, time of day, etc. and even if the manuf. has short term sales pushes that you might walk in on, or not. The particular saleman might have just sold three cars before you went in, what do you mean to him then ??
Those are mostly out of your control and more luck than anything else.
If you are referring to the Consumer Reports techniques, you will find a three ring training binder on the dealer's desk that has the response scenario (countermeasures) fully covered on those techniques, so it's a waste of time to bother with "invoice up", if anyone thinks they, not the dealer, has the advantage. Invoice is indirectly related to what the dealer pays for it, very indirect.
As far as time of day or week, month, etc, don't go in on Saturdays, or any time the dealer has customers and is busy. Go in when they are sitting at their desks starring at the clock on the wall, most likely mid afternoon (don't you sometimes ?)
I'm not advocating BEST PRICE, probably the internet is more usefull as a tool for that. I'm talking a better price possible or service added in your own communities that you would not have attained w/o the BobP diploma !
And always have fun spending money on toys, not just the toy itself !!
You earned it !
There's plenty more advise I have, like picking the least successful saleman out of the lot when you go in, but I would have to be with you to show you what to look for.
One last tidbit on big chain consumers electronics stores. No diploma needed there.
When the Saleman ask you if you have any questions, say "can't you do better on that price? ". Outloud, and look dissapointed when you say it.
Automatic discount from any price on tag even lowest price - another beer my way!
Those are mostly out of your control and more luck than anything else.
If you are referring to the Consumer Reports techniques, you will find a three ring training binder on the dealer's desk that has the response scenario (countermeasures) fully covered on those techniques, so it's a waste of time to bother with "invoice up", if anyone thinks they, not the dealer, has the advantage. Invoice is indirectly related to what the dealer pays for it, very indirect.
As far as time of day or week, month, etc, don't go in on Saturdays, or any time the dealer has customers and is busy. Go in when they are sitting at their desks starring at the clock on the wall, most likely mid afternoon (don't you sometimes ?)
I'm not advocating BEST PRICE, probably the internet is more usefull as a tool for that. I'm talking a better price possible or service added in your own communities that you would not have attained w/o the BobP diploma !
And always have fun spending money on toys, not just the toy itself !!
You earned it !
There's plenty more advise I have, like picking the least successful saleman out of the lot when you go in, but I would have to be with you to show you what to look for.
One last tidbit on big chain consumers electronics stores. No diploma needed there.
When the Saleman ask you if you have any questions, say "can't you do better on that price? ". Outloud, and look dissapointed when you say it.
Automatic discount from any price on tag even lowest price - another beer my way!
gradyfish22
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The E-Tec's have been great engines for the most part, not sure how the 300 vs 250 compare...kind of surprised by the comments above, but they are totally possible. The only difference is they are on smaller boats, on a bigger boat you may see it more, some boats can only obtain so much speed, and then need HUGE amounts more to have little gains, it might be the hull not the engine, especially on boats that size and with those speeds. A bigger boat will perform way different with the same engine so it is hard to compare the 2, not sure if the results would be similar or not. If you plan to stay with a 2 stroke, and want 300hp, the E-Tec is the way to go. The other 300's on the market are the suzuki which I like as well and have heard decent results for on a repowered islander, a merc verado...which honestly I'd shy away from....too many issues, especially with the 300 and 275hp engines....everyone I know with them hates them so far...I'm sure merc will fix the problem, but like the early opti's they were out too quick and junk, but got good over time, I'm sure in time the verado will be a good engine also...just not now. I'd probably pick the E-Tec out of the bunch for your purpose and size boat if I were to go with a single.