Please help...24 Offshore vs 25 Sailfish

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I have narrowed my search down to these two boats, 1988 24 Offshore vs 1989 25 Sailfish. I am mostly going to be fishing up to 40 miles offshore, with maybe 2 or 3 70 mile trips a year. Other use will be to run to the beach. I have a wife and two young kids. Boat will be stored on a trailer. Both boats are equal in overall condition. They need the typical work of a 20 year old boat. Everything is functional they just need a REAL good cleaning and waxing, some of the stainless hardware replaced, etc. Just typical stuff. Here is what each boat has:

'88 24 Offshore- brand new remanufactured by mercury racing 2003 Optimax 250 XS. The motor has like 7 hours on it. In fact there is still 1 minute left on the break in according to the smartcraft gauge. There is no warranty on them. The motor was insalled in like December of 2007. My mechanic who I trust completely put the motor on for another one of his customers. Most things went through such as pumps, new battereis, etc. The boat has been gone through and is in great running condtion mechanically. The owner is a businessman who was starting to set the boat up for offshore fishing for his son, but the son got transfered and isn't coming home anytime soon hence the sale. The boat has nothing else. No outriggers, downriggers, no rod holders on hard top, no trim tabs. Electronics there, but I would need to upgrade gps and fishfinder. Boat comes with trailer that needs a little for from just sitting. Price $15000.

'89 25 Sailfish- Boat is a trade in so there is not much known about it. collapsable tower with controls. Twin 1999 Johnson 225 motors with about 200 hours on new powerheads. Motors run fine, but they are 10 years old and from what I hear suck gas and oil. No outriggers or downriggers. Very nice furono chartplotter/gps/fishfinder color. There is an autopilot there but not hooked up. No trailer. Nothing is really known about the history of the boat or motors. I could possibly get a hold of previous owner and find out more about the boat. Price $11000.

What boat would you recommend for what I want to do with the boat? What are the pros and cons of each boat? How do the rides compare to each other? I want to be able to go out in 4 foot seas if that is the day I can fish. I plan on keeping the boat for a long time. I don't know what cabin I will eventually like more.

I like the Sailfish for the tower and twin motors and bigger size of boat. I don't like it because of the gas/oil and the fact they are older motors and I don't know the history. I may not NEED the tower, but its cool and I want to set my boat up for the best offshore fishing platform I can.

I like the Offshore for the obvious reasons. BRAND NEW motor, I know the history, and the fuel economy.

Anyways...please help!
 

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Just my thoughts but I'd lean towards the bigger boat.

1. Boats get smaller the more you use them (2 foot-itis) and with a family onboard running to the beach, etc. the extra room (and better ride) can come into play very quickly

2. Assuming the motors on both boats are in good shape and up to specs the 200 hours on the bigger boat is equal to about 2 seasons use (I've always been told that on average a boat gets a 100hrs a season on its motors). Again, assuming that you're looking at a 2 season difference before a rebuild or repower between the two boats

3. the electronics upgrade for the smaller boat can pay for a lot of gas & oil

4. Twin engines are always my preference. I like the ability to get home. Not impossible to get stuck (bad fuel will kill both motors) but still gives you a better sho

Again just my opinion
 

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If you want to do 40 mile with a 70 thrown in every once in a while, get a Sailfish: twins, bigger boat, and more gas capacity.

A tower on a Sailfish is going to be a problem. The boat isn't really designed for it. A tower an no outriggers? Doesn't make sense. The 225's may also be an issue, the max power is 400 and SOME insurance companies will not like that. I'm not an Evinrude expert but aren't 1999's Fichts? Fichts are good on oil and decent on gas but if you don't take REALLY good care of them, the blow (and sometimes they still go).

I wouldn't be that happy about a rebuilt racing motor either. The powerhead may be new/rebuilt but the lower unit may have seen a lot of abuse.

To be honest I'd pass on both.
 

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A budget of $15,000 and intentions of going 40 to 70 miles offshore would have me shopping 24 Albemarles...
 

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The mercury motor on the 24 Offshore is basically brand new. It was used by some executive at mercury for his own boat. It was then sent back to mercury racing and completely gone through to inculde a new lower unit. It came with a one year warranty, but that warranty was up in December of 08.

The Sailfish has a complete custom hardtop with custom tower. I do not know why there isn't any outriggers on it. It does have downrigger bases. The motors are johnson not evinrude and they are carbed not the ficht.

Anyone have any experience with the ride and handling on both boats? Or just give me your experience with the one you know about. Thanks for all the help!
 

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FYI Boating Magazine just had a story on the Mercury Certified Pre-Owned (CPO) program...sounds like this may have been one of those motors. Sounds like a good program.
 

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I have ridden on the 24 and have owned a 25 for many years. No comparison, the 25 is way better in every catagory except for perhaps trailering. The 25 being much wider. As to outbaords I have no idea but the 25 is a much nicer boat in so many ways.
 

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jeff...thanks that is what I am looking to hear! Also even though you think the 25 is better all around what are some good or decent things about the 24, and how do you think without really comparing it to another model it would do in 3-4 ft seas? More opinions welcome.
 

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i owned a 1990 24 offshore and it pounded bad in any kind of chop. I liked the boat for the bay tho. If you plan on any kind of ocean rides, get the 25ft sailfish.
 

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Definitely the Sailfish. Hands down. I have the same 1989 Sailfish and Ive ridden/fished in 2 Offshores and with all due respect there is no comparison. Completely different platforms. The Sailfish will do what you are asking it to do. Regardless of what the seller says, get ready to dump some money into whatever boat you buy.

Fred
 

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thanks. I know I will have to spend some money into each boat...the question is how much? I know the 24 very well. the things it needs are just to aid in my fishing. the 25 is the mystery. I am going to get a boat surveyor to go over it. anyone know any boat surveyor near tampa, fl?
 

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My boat looked great when I bought it last year . I paid $15,500 (With a trailer that I later sold for $1500 and a full 200 gal tank of gas.)

I did:

Re glass detailed top of dashboard (lots of holes there from old electronics)
Hatch cover recoring (2)
Refinished all mahogany trim
Made new stern compartment top hatches
Made new stern compartment battery box hatches
Completely stripped the bottom fairing/blisters and 3 coats of epoxy
Replaced all electronics
Wetsand/compound polish entire boat
New Graphics
Replaced all hoses, pumps
Removed rebuilt stripped painted engines
Resealed transom/deck joint and installed new stainless molding
Completely rebuilt the transom motor well door
Removed large thru hull transducer/reglassed hull
Rebuilt/regelcoated motor well hatch cover

Bought new trailer

You will have $25K - $40K in the boat by the time you really make it right. At this point all I really need are a couple of small gelcoat repairs and to have a new enclosure canvass made. You wont make money on it when you sell it, but as toys go you will have a pretty good investment and recoup most of what you spend. Bear in mind that my boat sold for about $80K new in 1989 and that kind of puts it into perspective. And all the while you will be using and enjoying a first class boat.
 

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Stuntstud - I really only have a couple of rides in a 24 but many years ago I ran about 20 miles to another island, me in my boat in the company of a couple of 24s. It got kind of nasty coming back. I found I had to keep slowing down to match the speed of the 24s. So my impression was my 25 was more comfortable cruising faster than the 24s in the same conditions. Mine was powered with twin 170 HP I/O and have recently repowered with a single 496 I/O. Still love the boat. I like the larger cabin and cockpit compared to the 24. I'm sure you would enjoy either but I favor the 25. Get a good survey on both and decide then. And only you can decide how much is too much. Let us know the outcome.
 

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Thank you everyone for your input. I am leaning more towards the 25. I found one that was relatively local and I went to go look at it just to see how it was laid out. It definetly felt like a much bigger boat. I liked the layout of the cabin as well. Definetly a lot larger than the 24. The only thing the 24 seemed to have is a longer space in the back to fish out of. I didn't see trial it as it was up for sale by a company and they wanted a down payment and what not. I just wasn't going to waste anyones time. I am going to find a surveyor and have him go over the boat. I will make the boat nice, but really I just want to make it a fishing machine. Thanks again for all the help.
 

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Someone hit the nail on the head above - if you want to run 40 miles offshore with a 70 mile trip thown in - safely - you need twins or a single diesel - period -

Tim
 

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if you want a larger fishing area with the 25 and twins why not look for a GW trophy pro...i believe they have a smaller cabin with more fishing space then the sailfish....
 

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blackgrady said:
if you want a larger fishing area with the 25 and twins why not look for a GW trophy pro...i believe they have a smaller cabin with more fishing space then the sailfish....

Good idea on the Trophy Pro. I think they are quite a bit harder to find though. At least in my area.
 

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JeffN said:
blackgrady said:
if you want a larger fishing area with the 25 and twins why not look for a GW trophy pro...i believe they have a smaller cabin with more fishing space then the sailfish....

Good idea on the Trophy Pro. I think they are quite a bit harder to find though. At least in my area.

It changed to a Dolphin in '90.