Canyon 336 with twin 300 performance

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Are you running a 336 Canyon with twin 300 Yamaha ? Please let me know if you are. I would like to discuss if you are satisfied with the engines. I am removing my awful Yamaha 350s and several mechanics are recommending twin 300's. I would like to get some first hand experience

Thank you
 
Are you running a 336 Canyon with twin 300 Yamaha ? Please let me know if you are. I would like to discuss if you are satisfied with the engines. I am removing my awful Yamaha 350s and several mechanics are recommending twin 300's. I would like to get some first hand experience

Thank you
Completely satisfied. Did it this fall and admittedly was super nervous; 2011 hull with the A versions of the F350s; so if Yamaha, 300s were only option Went to all digital - f300nsb2s that have some of the xto features. Only ran to 20hr service : maybe lost .5mph off top end, but 15-20% more efficient.

13 people full fuel still hit 43 mph. Can cruise at 37mpg at 1.0. Rpm’s for given speed prob 3-400 higher than the 350s. I had more than 500 hrs in last two years on the f350s and don’t miss them at all. Maybe the hole shot is little slower but I honestly don’t remember. Seems ridiculous grady website only lists the hull with 900hp now.

If you go to wayback machine you can pull the performance numbers from 2020 when they still sold it with 300s. I am hitting those numbers in actual conditions with heavier loads.

Not a speed demon but I’m perfectly happy with the power as I do frequent long runs in the ocean and those just aren’t happening much over 35mph for me.

Happy to answer any more specific questions etc.
 
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Completely satisfied. Did it this fall and admittedly was super nervous; 2011 hull with the A versions of the F350s; so if Yamaha, 300s were only option Went to all digital - f300nsb2s that have some of the xto features. Only ran to 20hr service : maybe lost .5mph off top end, but 15-20% more efficient.

13 people full fuel still hit 43 mph. Can cruise at 37mpg at 1.0. Rpm’s for given speed prob 3-400 higher than the 350s. I had more than 500 hrs in last two years on the f350s and don’t miss them at all. Maybe the hole shot is little slower but I honestly don’t remember. Seems ridiculous grady website only lists the hull with 900hp now.

If you go to wayback machine you can pull the performance numbers from 2020 when they still sold it with 300s. I am hitting those numbers in actual conditions with heavier loads.

Not a speed demon but I’m perfectly happy with the power as I do frequent long runs in the ocean and those just aren’t happening much over 35mph for me.

Happy to answer any more specific questions etc.
Thank you for the great answer. I kept the 350s too long and appreciate your input on the 300s
 
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Thank you for the great answer. I kept the 350s too long and appreciate your input on the 300s
You're welcome. I get it, was in same situation and its not a good feeling to think I was going to destroy a boat I loved by underpowering. What finally sold me was the dealer's point to me that they sold the hull with twin 225s for years on the express 330, so you will be fine (just search express 330 225s for an endless amount of threads wondering if its underpowered).

One other benefit, the engines tilt fully out of the water now!!

Also, if helpful , here are screenshots of the April 2020 Grady website when they sold the Canyon 336 with 2x300, 2x350, 2x425, or 3x300 power options. Odd that the twin 350 boat is lighter..... For me going from twin f350 xca to twin f300 fnsb2 I dropped ~500lbs from the transom - which may account for why I'm seeing much better efficiency than the charts would indicate, and perhaps the 2021 refresh of the f300's do actually have better speed than the ones tested in 2015 https://yamahamarinemedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/HotSheet-V6-Offshore-DEC-.pdf .



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I own a 2008 Canyon 336 and also had the horrific F350A's on it... I had one of them seize up completely due to thrust bearing failure in February of 2022 during the height of covid supply chain issues with Yamaha reporting at least 12-15 months delay to get new F300s... As an alternative to leaving my boat dry docked for over a year waiting on F300s, I ended up making the difficult decision to switch my boat to twin Mercury Verado 350s and I got the boat back in the water by May of 2022. I have been very happy with the Verados so far and have just under 300 hours on the pair of them now. Best of luck with your F300s - I would have made the same decision if these motors were available back when I needed them in early 2022.
 
I fish a lot on a friend's Canyon 271 with twin 300s. That sled is fast. Average mpg is 1.6.

I just went and looked, Grady powers the 336 with 2x 450 or 3x 300. So I'm guessing 2x 300 might be a little under powered.
 
Not a Canyon but we have an Express 330 with new Yamaha DES 300’s, Helm Master etc.
Cannot be happier with the performance.
top speed with full fuel, water and 4 POB is 38-39knots at approx 5600-5700 RPM.
 
I just went and looked, Grady powers the 336 with 2x 450 or 3x 300. So I'm guessing 2x 300 might be a little under powered.
Umm, honestly I don't think that the 336 will be underpowered with twin 350 as it is not sooo much different than the 306 and the DF350 with his duo prop or the brand new BF350 should be plenty of power to move the 336 reasonable fast.
I personally would wait a few month till the first hand experiences with the BF350 are out to see if this beast works flawless and then go with the BF350 as it is similar to the F350, a big block and high torque engine.
Top speed would not be as with triples/twin 450 but who really need 53+ mph, would 45mph not be enough for most boaters?

Chris
 
Not a Canyon but we have an Express 330 with new Yamaha DES 300’s, Helm Master etc.
Cannot be happier with the performance.
top speed with full fuel, water and 4 POB is 38-39knots at approx 5600-5700 RPM.
Just bumping this thread as an update as I now have 120 hours on my repowered Canyon 336 with twin F300's (nsb2s). Still completely satisifed (if not more so), just like this poster with his Express. Highly highly recommend the full helm master, after a bit of practice it makes the bow thruster obsolete, and the staypoint etc are really nice features to have solo. Still managing better than 20% fuel efficiency improvement compared to the old V8 350s.

Also posting because since my repower Yamaha released the 4.3L V6 350, so I'll probably have one of the few boats with these engines as imagine most will go for those (I would have too if available but have zero regrets).

Finally, Grady is now offering the Canyon 336 with triple 4.3L V6 350s, which just seems to me as way too much horsepower for this hull. But I guess the market is the market and people like to say their boat can go 60 lol??!
 
That is the perfect set up for that hull if you ask me.
 
Just bumping this thread as an update as I now have 120 hours on my repowered Canyon 336 with twin F300's (nsb2s). Still completely satisifed (if not more so), just like this poster with his Express. Highly highly recommend the full helm master, after a bit of practice it makes the bow thruster obsolete, and the staypoint etc are really nice features to have solo. Still managing better than 20% fuel efficiency improvement compared to the old V8 350s.

Also posting because since my repower Yamaha released the 4.3L V6 350, so I'll probably have one of the few boats with these engines as imagine most will go for those (I would have too if available but have zero regrets).

Finally, Grady is now offering the Canyon 336 with triple 4.3L V6 350s, which just seems to me as way too much horsepower for this hull. But I guess the market is the market and people like to say their boat can go 60 lol??!
I am now considering the f300s versus the new 350s. I am encouraged by the report concerning the f300s. How does it perform at 3500rpm, 4000 rpm, 4200 and 4500rpm. When it is rough, I tend to hang in the 3500 to 3800 zone and need to understand speed and efficiency. When calm, 4400 to 4500. Can you give me some intel?
 
I would not install twin F300 on a 336 Canyon, but 350's and if cost would be important then install twin Suzuki DF300AP, their higher gear reduction will swing 2" bigger props than the Yamaha F300.

Below the numbers of my 2011 306 Canyon when i picked her up beginning of June and drove her 70 miles down to my marina.
Fuel was probably 250 gallones
Hull was clean, with AF
3 people and minimum required safety gear
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The same numbers now end of season with dirty hull and fully loaded boat became obviously worse with a speed loss of about 2-3 knots between 22 and 28 knots. The hull was dirty, but many small size barnacles and there is a photo in another tread from when i pulled her first days of December 24.

I would expect about same or slightly numbers for your 336 Canyon having Suzuki DF300AP, and considerable better (20-25%) fuel flow numbers installing twin Honda BF350 or Suzuki DF350 dual prop
Honestly i am rather disappointed by the new F350 as it's basically not more than a pimped F300 for a premium price.

Chris
 
I would not install twin F300 on a 336 Canyon, but 350's and if cost would be important then install twin Suzuki DF300AP, their higher gear reduction will swing 2" bigger props than the Yamaha F300.

Below the numbers of my 2011 306 Canyon when i picked her up beginning of June and drove her 70 miles down to my marina.
Fuel was probably 250 gallones
Hull was clean, with AF
3 people and minimum required safety gear
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The same numbers now end of season with dirty hull and fully loaded boat became obviously worse with a speed loss of about 2-3 knots between 22 and 28 knots. The hull was dirty, but many small size barnacles and there is a photo in another tread from when i pulled her first days of December 24.

I would expect about same or slightly numbers for your 336 Canyon having Suzuki DF300AP, and considerable better (20-25%) fuel flow numbers installing twin Honda BF350 or Suzuki DF350 dual prop
Honestly i am rather disappointed by the new F350 as it's basically not more than a pimped F300 for a premium price.

Chris
Chris. What is the calculated knots column? The red is the actual knots with a dirty bottom, right?

Scott
 
Hi gents,

Take a look at the performance in the link for reference. My 306 with "C" Series F350s (19P props, I believe) runs almost spot on with the info below. Knock 1 - 2 MPH off their performance for bottom paint, etc. and my performance is very close. My numbers are very close to the Yamaha Performance Bulletin for the 336 with F350s running a 17P prop. Hopefully this gives you some more reference points.

 
Hi gents,

Take a look at the performance in the link for reference. My 306 with "C" Series F350s (19P props, I believe) runs almost spot on with the info below. Knock 1 - 2 MPH off their performance for bottom paint, etc. and my performance is very close. My numbers are very close to the Yamaha Performance Bulletin for the 336 with F350s running a 17P prop. Hopefully this gives you some more reference points.

That is what I have now on my 336. Thank you. But my aim is to repower the 336.
 
yup

I know it's apples and oranges, but FWIW, a marina friend has a Pursuit 325 OS with twin F300s and he is very happy with the performance.
 
Chris. What is the calculated knots column? The red is the actual knots with a dirty bottom, right?

Scott
The calculated knots are hypothetic speed with zero slip engine rpm/LU gear reduction * propeller pitch
Yes, the red is actual knots SOG, there may be 1/2 to 1 knot difference due water current.


The step up to 350 will probably get a few knots more top end speed, but whats for me most important is that 26/28 knot rpm's should sink to 3500-3800 instead of 4200-4500 and thats a considerable amount of less noise and fuel flow.
I know from several Honda BF350 installations that fuel consumption dropped 20-25% to a previous F350 V8 and the sea trial i did on a 33ft RIB with twin BF350 confirmed that and also that the BF350 is extremely quiet at cruising + speed.

Chris

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I am now considering the f300s versus the new 350s. I am encouraged by the report concerning the f300s. How does it perform at 3500rpm, 4000 rpm, 4200 and 4500rpm. When it is rough, I tend to hang in the 3500 to 3800 zone and need to understand speed and efficiency. When calm, 4400 to 4500. Can you give me some intel?
Happy to try to. Now at 320 hrs on the f300s' on my Canyon 336 after a full season, still completely satisfied. One big caveat is that I switched to Powertech OFS4 15 pitch 4-blade props mid-way through as I didn't like the low end planing threshold when running at night (wth the 3-blade SWS II 15 3/4" 15 planing was about ~4000 rpm), and I was doing more (tuna) trolling. Over 10 150-250 mile tuna trips now, and I have seen 20-40% efficiency gains from the f350 (version a's) that I had on with a mix of running, trolling, run & gunning etc.

With 4-blades ran almost exclusively in the 3600 - 4600 rpm band which is ~25-35mph. New sweet spot for me was ~4200 burning 27gph at 30mph running the boat heavy/super heavy. Efficiency was close to 1.3 at low end and at 1.0 at 4600. Add ~ 4000 rpm for 3 bladefor any given speed.

With the 4-blade lost about 3-4mph on top end and efficiency above 35mph took a seroius hit.

Let me know if any other questions - serious winter blues right now! Also I know of at least one other Canyon 336 that repowered with the f300's - because the dealer took them out on my boat - from what I heard they are happy although I don't know them personally.