2019 Freedom 215 gas tank

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I have a new GW 215 Freedom. It takes 30 minutes to fill the tank at the gas dock. The tank will take 3-4 gallons then the nozzle will turn off. You can start again and it will dispense another 3-4 gallons and stop again. Anyone else having this problem? Anyone know a cure?
Steve Reichlyn
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The most likely thing is a clog in the vent system. You didn't mention if it did this from day 1, but it could be from filling the tank too high at one point. The vent system should be oriented such that it drains should that happen, but since you have a newer boat, there is going to be a carbon canister in the system and if you've been overfilling then the canister could saturated. Remove the hose from the vent nipple on the tank and see if that makes a difference (obviously don't fill all the way up to avoid fuel spilling out).

Another possibility is that the vent fitting on the hull side is clogged with something on the outside.
 
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The most likely thing is a clog in the vent system. You didn't mention if it did this from day 1, but it could be from filling the tank too high at one point. The vent system should be oriented such that it drains should that happen, but since you have a newer boat, there is going to be a carbon canister in the system and if you've been overfilling then the canister could saturated. Remove the hose from the vent nipple on the tank and see if that makes a difference (obviously don't fill all the way up to avoid fuel spilling out).

Another possibility is that the vent fitting on the hull side is clogged with something on the outside.

It has been doing it from day one using land gas pumps and pumps at the dock. I guess I’ll ask the shop to check again when I bring it in for annual inspection. Thanks. Steve Reichlyn. Isle of Palms, SC
 

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Clearly an issue. I'd go ahead and get it back in.

Everything vents through the fill cap nowadays....no vent on the side of the hull. I think you have a pinch in the vent hose somewhere.
 

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Steve, I have a 2018 215 Freedom, and I have the same issue. I have been trying to find another Freedom 215 owner to see if they have the same issue. I created a post about this about a year ago. I have been chasing the cause of this issue, and spent hours troubleshooting this issue. So far, to eliminate restrictions I have removed the charcoal canister on the vent side, and replaced it with a piece of 5/8” marine gas vent hose. I removed the check valve inside the 1 1/2” fill hose at the tank, to eliminate this as any restriction in the hose. I unhooked the vent hose and blew through it with air pressure to make sure it was not clogged. I have checked both the fill hose and the vent hose for any kinks, and found none. I believe this is a design issue on the 215 Freedom with the routing of the fill hose and the height that it is at on it‘s route to the tank. If you look through the deck access plate at the front of the fuel tank where the fill hose and the vent hose connect, you can see that where the fill hose connects to the the fill neck on the tank is about 3/4” to 1” high from the top of the tank. Where the fill hose comes through the rigging pipe in the boat to the fuel tank, the fill hose is level with the the top of the tank. I believe that this rise in the hose from this point to the fill neck on the fuel tank is enough rise in the hose elevation to cause the issue we are having. Filling the boat on the trailer is not as bad as on the water, because I can jack up the front of the trailer with the tongue jack and a 4x4, and I can fill the fuel tank at as faster flow rate than on the water, but it will still cutoff some when filling. If I try to fill it up on the water at a marina, it takes forever, because you have to fill it very slowly. You can hear good airflow coming out of the vent fitting when filling it up, so there is not a restriction in that line. I have been working on this issue on my own, because I am the second owner, so I could not take it back to the dealer. For an $85,000 boat, it is really frustrating not to be able to put fuel in the boat at a normal flow rate. It takes 20-30 minutes to fill the boat up, and if you use it a lot, that gets REALLY frustrating! I have attached some pictures of the fuel fill hose height in relation to the top of the fuel tank as I described above. Since you are another Freedom 215 owner, on another subject, I have also had issues with the port side console door for the head popping open when I get in some choppy water. It popped open 6 times this evening when I was on the water, and there was a lite chop. The door latches for both console doors do not close tight, and they have loose movement when closed. I have been disappointed with the loose door latches, the head compartment door regularly popping open, and the gas fill issue. Please let me know if you or the dealer where able to resolve this issue. I will do the same, but I believe it will take a change in the height/drop to the fuel tank to resolve this issue. I have even thought about installing another fill port on the starboard side more inline with the fill neck on the tank, so that the fuel has a straighter route to the tank, but I am hesitant to do that to such an expensive boat. Please let me know who your dealer is if they can resolve this issue. Thank you.
 

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Clearly an issue. I'd go ahead and get it back in.

Everything vents through the fill cap nowadays....no vent on the side of the hull. I think you have a pinch in the vent hose somewhere.
The Freedom 215 vents through the side of the hull through a separate fitting, and does not vent through the cap like some other models.
 
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Everything vents through the fill cap nowadays....no vent on the side of the hull. I think you have a pinch in the vent hose somewhere.
I don't know about "all", but with the EPA carbon canisters (fume collectors) many boats are back to using a separate vent on the hull side. Just a side note :)
 

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Apparently so. I haven’t seen a side vent in awhile but things seem to have changed. I stand corrected.
 

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Apparently so. I haven’t seen a side vent in awhile but things seem to have changed. I stand corrected.
And, if you look at these new vents (at least all the ones I've seen), you may not even know it's a vent - it kinda looks like a stainless steel bullseye.
 

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If you want to see how Grady White fixed my fuel fill issue go to my post below.