228 - making it water tight?

[wrxhoon]

That is the out the door price, including our 10% sales tax, license, brand new trailer with 4 disc brakes, boat has pump out head, full curtains, live well on the transom, fresh and raw wash down, 250hp yamaha. Before tax and crud it was $117K. If you can get by with a smaller cockpit, the Adventure is the same boat 2 feet shorter. I think it is about $30K cheaper. My fishing buddy looked at the Adventure and encouraged me to go bigger.

The electronics were an additional $13-14K, I had them installed by pros. Here's the list of stuff:

Garmin 8610xsv - 10" that does sidevu, this is the main display
Garmin 942xs - Backup charts/fishing finder. Not side vu capable. Mounted in the port side overhead cubby, visible from the cockpit so fish finder most of the time.
Garmin 7-inch GPSMAP - the engine controls are digital, the info coming back is digital, so Yamaha used a 7 inch Garmin with the Yamaha app on it showing RPM, fuel, battery voltage, etc. You swipe it and boom! it is a regular Garmin. So I have 3 chart displays if need be. 99.9% of the time this will be a Yamaha engine display.
TM185HW - high power down viewing Airmar transducer, fish finder
GT30-TM - high power side viewing Garmin transducer, bait ball finder
Garmin Fantom 18 Radar
Steadycast Heading Sensor (for the radar, makes it more accurate)
GA38 GPS Antenna (I think for the steadycast)
AIS800 - AIS transponder because I fish in shipping channels, I see them, they see me.
GX1850G - Standard Horizon VHF, picked because I use their handhelds
VHF antenna & mount

Added a battery tender and Scotty downriggers, I did the install on those. I've got health issues, my body is wearing out, so I can do about 20 minutes of work and then I need to rest my feet. The $5K install of all the electronics was the best $5K I've ever spent. When I picked it up, the guy who did the install was there, he's my age and weighs a lot more. I asked how the heck can he do that and he said "Lots of advil". I'll bet. I made his day because we talked and he realized I'm mentally capable of doing the work so he walked me through all the stuff he did and why and I appreciated his work. So much so that I went to BevMo and bought him and the sales guy a pile of booze to say thanks.

Haven't done much else to it, I screwed in a 5 rod holder to the back of the transom, I like rods to be not waving hook in my face when I walk by.

Currently working on fenders (bumpers? I dunno what you call them).

I'll get you guys more pics, there are a few here: http://mcvoy.com/lm/boat but most of those are me in my buddies Triumph.

Nice boat, I thought they were a little less than that, not much dearer here just under AU$200k ($140k US) on aluminum trailer basic electronics, windlass, 300 hp Yam etc...
I got mine used in Florida 2 years ago, 2013 model with 220 hrs, aluminum trailer , basic electronics, windlass pump out head digital 250 Yam and minimal safety gear. I installed Simrad auto pilot, Simrad 12" evo 3 with 1kw transducer, another VHF ( we have to have 2 here for comps) downriggers and outriggers. I don't use downriggers much but I work the outriggers and the auto pilot makes it easy when trolling with only 2 onboard.

 

[Pighunter]

Oh heck yeah! We can do a 228 shoot, a 226+228 shoot, we could do an all Grady White shoot. I think you have to be a little nuts to spend what Grady charges to own one of these boats. 25 year old 228s go for $25K or more, I've seen people on this site hoping they could get one that cheap. That says a lot.

Definitely want that formation going out under the Golden Gate with pics and video. I did not realize there were that many Gradys here, Joe made it sound like it was maybe 6-8 228s. I know there is a Marlin 300 real close to me, who knows how many more there are?

I'm in!

 

[luckydude]

I'm in!

I can't imagine anyone with a GW that wouldn't want in on this. My kid wants to put it to star wars music

I definitely want to do a 228 formation, add in the 226s, then just add in everyone. We need to talk about what formation would work going out under the GG.

If we do a good enough job, I could see GW wanting the footage.

Maybe get some rockies and do a BBQ at Joe's after? Though that's gonna be a lot of trailers, we might need to think about it. Maybe BBQ on the bay?

My fishing buddy turned me on to this recipe, works on halibut, rockies, salmon, pretty much anything though wasn't that great for chicken. You can do it all in a skillet:

Cajun-Style Blackened Halibut

A nod to what could arguably be the dish of the eighties, blackened redfish. The technique works equally well with halibut.

www.epicurious.com

 

[Timcan]

Lucky that’s a beautiful boat thanks for the write up especially on the electronics package. My Grady 228 should be here next week it’s coming from South Carolina. I’m in on the get together. Thanks for setting this up..

Joe thanks for reaching out..

 

[luckydude]

Post some pics! Love to see a 2020 seafarer and congrats.

I need to post more pics, there are a few at http://mcvoy.com/lm/boat but this youtube video is exactly like my boat except for theirs is 300hp, I have 250hp, and I have different electronics:

 

[Seafarer_Bob]

Idk about bone dry. That’s kinda a stretch. The rear cup holders drain into the bilge and the under gunwhale rod holders are open to the bilge. The cabin drain goes straight to the bilge too. Water also can get in the rope notch and into the top area and then into bilge.

All these plus several others including the front anchor locker. Bone dry bilge is not possible but worth looking into if you're getting a lot of water on a calm day and you're not doing a lot of washing.

 

[luckydude]

All these plus several others including the front anchor locker. Bone dry bilge is not possible but worth looking into if you're getting a lot of water on a calm day and you're not doing a lot of washing.

Funny you should bump this topic. Last night I tried to get water in the bilge from the cockpit and nothing was coming out the bilge drain.
So I'm wondering if I was imagining things.

This morning, I got some gaskets and covered up the scuppers and turned the hose on. I left it on longer and bingo, water out of the bilge drain. I think it took longer because the boat sits with the bow slightly lower than the stern, I think the water was draining to the bow and that had to fill up a bit.

I started looking around and I found the problem. The forward, starboard side of the removable bilge cover looked like a shower drain, water was pouring in there. So that just needs to be resealed.

And I know that bone dry isn't a thing but I like things ship shape. I want the least amount of water possible going down there, I don't want to figure I have a failed bilge pump some day and I didn't sort why water goes down there from the cockpit and I get unlucky with a following sea and the cockpit is full of water and the engine quits on me so I can't get on plane and drain things. That's a lot of "ands" but I have noticed that my 250 will not run if you turn the batteries off. So if the bilge got filled up and the batteries were shorted out I could lose engine and then things get crappy.

BTW, is it normal for that 250 to need battery to run? To start, yeah, duh, but shouldn't the alternator give it enough juice to go when you shut off the batteries? I'm talking the 1/2/both/off switch.

 

[Seafarer_Bob]

I'm still learning my 05 228 so I totally agree with what you're doing, need to understand your boat but you might be over thinking things. If you somehow got hundreds of gallons on deck 99% would drain out your scupper before entering the bilge and unless you had a major issue your bilge pumps would keep up with anything leaking through loose fittings. Even if your bilge was flooded your batteries are high enough there'd keep functioning until your engine was completely swamped, at which point you're hosed and swimming anyway.

Question, you said "The forward, starboard side of the removable bilge cover looked like a shower drain, water was pouring in there. So that just needs to be resealed." Which bilge cover and how did you see this?

 

[luckydude]

I'm still learning my 05 228 so I totally agree with what you're doing, need to understand your boat but you might be over thinking things. If you somehow got hundreds of gallons on deck 99% would drain out your scupper before entering the bilge and unless you had a major issue your bilge pumps would keep up with anything leaking through loose fittings. Even if your bilge was flooded your batteries are high enough there'd keep functioning until your engine was completely swamped, at which point you're hosed and swimming anyway.

Question, you said "The forward, starboard side of the removable bilge cover looked like a shower drain, water was pouring in there. So that just needs to be resealed." Which bilge cover and how did you see this?

The scuppers have little flaps in them which are so waves don't wash up in there, sort of a crappy check valve. They work both ways, hundreds of gallons would take a long time to drain out. I'd guess about 30 minutes.

As for bilge cover, I don't mean the little round port holes you can pull up with a screwdriver. There is about a 3x2 foot panel that you can unscrew and lift up and you have access to all of the rear bilge. That's the one that is leaking. I saw it because when I flooded the cockpit you could see the water draining in there, the water is flat across the deck but where it was going down it is shaped like funnel. It was really obvious, there was no mistaking it.

 

[Seafarer_Bob]

Thanks, that center 3x2 deck panel needs to be sealed so good thing you figured that out. Next time I'll plug my deck scupper drains to see how fast it'll shed 100 gallons but in all my years I've never had anywhere near that much water on deck and can't imagine what conditions would put me in that situation.

 

[Lite Tackle]

BTW, is it normal for that 250 to need battery to run? To start, yeah, duh, but shouldn't the alternator give it enough juice to go when you shut off the batteries? I'm talking the 1/2/both/off switch.

I suggest you study the manual for your motor and pay special attention to the warnings. You will do damage to your motor if you run it with batteries off.

 

[luckydude]

I suggest you study the manual for your motor and pay special attention to the warnings. You will do damage to your motor if you run it with batteries off.

Will do but I'm confused. I'm a shade tree mechanic in my retirement and I've never heard of an engine that has an alternator that needs the battery once it is running. The alternator should provide all the power the engine might want. The manual can say whatever it wants but it sure seems weird that an engine with an alternator needs a battery. What if you had a dead battery, jumped it, ran the engine to charge the dead battery. That's a super common thing, are you saying that Yamaha makes an engine that can't do that? If so, why?

 

[Ky Grady]

I suggest you study the manual for your motor and pay special attention to the warnings. You will do damage to your motor if you run it with batteries off.

Agreed!! That's a no no for sure.

 

[Lite Tackle]

Will do but I'm confused. I'm a shade tree mechanic in my retirement and I've never heard of an engine that has an alternator that needs the battery once it is running. The alternator should provide all the power the engine might want. The manual can say whatever it wants but it sure seems weird that an engine with an alternator needs a battery. What if you had a dead battery, jumped it, ran the engine to charge the dead battery. That's a super common thing, are you saying that Yamaha makes an engine that can't do that? If so, why?

1st off, its not good for the alternator to see an open field, i.e. no battery to charge, so taking the cable off for long could actually short out what was a working alternator.

To answer your question, yes, if you pull the B+ cable from the battery, without disconnecting the alternator cable from that main battery cable. If you pull the ground cable, you can very well disconnect the ground side of the very components that are needed to run the engine and the engine will shut off.


All loads do actually pull from the battery, in theory. The batteries job is to carry those loads and the alternators job is to keep up with those normal loads and replenish what is used from the battery during starting.

 

[Lite Tackle]

For me, after spending 25k, I will do what the manual says and if I have an issue, Yami fix for free!

 

[Sparkdog118]

Will do but I'm confused. I'm a shade tree mechanic in my retirement and I've never heard of an engine that has an alternator that needs the battery once it is running. The alternator should provide all the power the engine might want. The manual can say whatever it wants but it sure seems weird that an engine with an alternator needs a battery. What if you had a dead battery, jumped it, ran the engine to charge the dead battery. That's a super common thing, are you saying that Yamaha makes an engine that can't do that? If so, why?

You don’t have an alternator. You have a rectifier. Totally different. Without a battery, it will overheat and burn up the diodes. Mercury Optimax and Verado have alternators.

 

[Seafarer_Bob]

You don’t have an alternator. You have a rectifier. Totally different. Without a battery, it will overheat and burn up the diodes. Mercury Optimax and Verado have alternators.

I thought my F225 has an alternator, no?

yamaha f225 alternator output - Google Search

 

[Sparkdog118]

They call the stator an alternator. This is what creates the electricity for the spark. It also feeds the rectifier with the electricity that it needs to charge. The rectifier has diodes that are like one way valves for the electricity into the battery. When the battery is missing, the electricity has nowhere to go and backs up in the rectifier and overheats the stator and the rectifier.rectifier is also called voltage regulator.

 

[Sparkdog118]

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[Lite Tackle]

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