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Cool - that's good to hear. I also did a little more googling last night and found this (below) on the USCG site. In a nutshell, as long as the compartment is sealed with no non-ignition protected devices installed or isn't opened to another compartment (drainage?) that has a non-ignition protected device, then it's OK. What's interesting, though, is that I also found mention (although not on the CG site) that if the tank is plastic it would still require ventilation, whether natural or powered.

FEDERAL LAW

183.620 - Natural ventilation system

(a) Except for compartments open to the atmosphere, a natural ventilation system that meets the requirements of Sec. 183.630 must be provided for each compartment in a boat that:

(3) Contains a permanently installed fuel tank and an electrical component that is not ignition protected in accordance with Sec. 183.410(a).


OPEN TO THE ATMOSPHERE

Compartments that are open to the atmosphere do not require additional ventilation.

FUEL TANK COMPARTMENTS

A compartment containing a fuel tank that is permanently installed, as opposed to a portable tank or container, does not require natural ventilation unless the compartment contains an electrical component that is not ignition protected.

Ignition protection is defined in Title 33 CFR Subpart I - Electrical Systems,
183.410(a) as follows:

"(a) Each electrical component must not ignite a propane gas and air mixture that is 4.25 to 5.25 percent propane gas by volume surrounding the electrical component when it is operated at each of its manufacturer rated voltages and current loadings, unless it is isolated from gasoline fuel sources, such as engines, valves, connections, or other fittings in vent lines, fill lines, distribution lines or on fuel tanks, in accordance with paragraph (b) of this section."

Another definition is:

"The design and construction of a device such that under design operating conditions:

it will not ignite a flammable hydrocarbon mixture surrounding the device when an ignition source causes an internal explosion, or
it is incapable of releasing sufficient electrical or thermal energy to ignite a hydrocarbon mixture, or
the source of ignition is hermetically sealed."

"Ignition protected" devices are not necessarily "explosion proof "or "intrinsically safe" as those terms are defined by the National Electrical Code and Title 46 CFR Part 111, sections 105-9 and 105-11. If, however, a device does meet the definition of either "explosion proof" or "intrinsically safe", as referenced above, then it is also "ignition protected" as defined in Title 33 CFR Subpart I - Electrical Systems.

Test standards to determine ignition protection may be found in SAE J1171, External Ignition Protection of Marine Electrical Devices, and in UL 1500, Ignition Protection Test for Marine Products.

Usually fuel level senders and the associated wiring are not sources of ignition and therefore would not normally require natural ventilation.

TO COMPLY WITH THE LAW

Does the compartment contain a permanently installed fuel tank and an electricalcomponent that is not ignition protected?

If YES, then one of the following must be answered YES.

Is the compartment open to the atmosphere as defined in 183.605, or
Is natural ventilation provided? See 183.630 for requirement.
 

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As per quote below;
“Usually fuel level senders and the associated wiring are not sources of ignition and therefore would not normally require natural ventilation”.
I must not have any more wiring in this compartment (and I know it’s sealed from other compartments) I don’t think Sea Centre would take any chances of risking the subject. They are pretty big business, with good reputation.
 

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leszekgorski said:
I must not have any more wiring in this compartment (and I know it’s sealed from other compartments)

I doubt you do, as well.

Currently, my main fuel tank area will drain into the aux tank area and eventually the bilge. When they did the work, did they seal it up completely? I'm contemplating doing that, but what's holding me back is that IF water got into that area (obviously I would seal the access hatch very well), it would have nowhere to go except seep into hidden cavities of the boat as the water level rose in that cavity.
 

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On my offshore i have the main and aux fuel tank compartments. I only have the main fueltank installed thou. But there is a drain tube that runs from both compartments that empties into the bilge. According to my manual i got with the boat your suppose to put a plug in that drain tube. And remove the plug and inspect for signs of fuel. If your deck plates are sealed properly there should never be any water in those compartments. When i bought the boat the plug was out laying in the bilge and i never put it back in. Mainly cause u have to stand on your head and try and snake your arm back there to reinstall it. Everything in my bilge is ignition protected esp since i have twin outboards there isn't much in there but the bilge pumps, live well pump, wash down pump and the trim tab pump.
 

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also i beleive they have them setup to drain like that so u know when a fuel tank is leaking
 

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Not really sure how they handled the drain, I would say it’s open, it needs to drain. I was not there when they installed the new tank. Again I don’t believe outfit like that would take any chances and I trust them.
 

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leszekgorski said:
Not really sure how they handled the drain, I would say it’s open, it needs to drain. I was not there when they installed the new tank. Again I don’t believe outfit like that would take any chances and I trust them.

I, in no way, doubt that you are confident with the repair work that was done and from the pictures, it looks nicely done. I do not know the people you used so I wouldn't say anything bad about them. I do know, though, that sometimes even good companies make a mistake. When it comes to fuel issues and my family's safety, that's not something I'm willing to compromise. Again, this has nothing to do with the company you used - it's just something I had to be 100% sure of before I eliminate the blower. Based on what I saw on the CG's website and how your company did the repair, I do feel very comfortable with this. Thank you for your patience with me on this!

Now, back to the regularly scheduled program... got any more pics?

What size hatch is that larger one? Do you feel it's big enough or would you rather have a larger one?
 

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Got more pictures but can’t get on photobucket, even after resetting the password. Man I hate computers and they hate me back. I’ll try later.

The bigger hatch is 24”X14” and it was the most expensive in the catalog. If you go with plastic you definitely don’t want to go any bigger. I’m 225 lbs and when I step on it, you guess.
Owner of this marina install aluminum one on his boat and he hates that. It’s rigid all right but it gets hot like hell on sun. Down here in the Keys you got to consider that. I’m always bare foot on my boat. Size vise I don’t see any problem, don’t need any bigger.
 

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This is what is on my sticker under the access panel for the bilge. My boat came with twin outboards

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