garmin navionics +/vision

[dogdoc]

So bit the bullet and bought new plotter with navionics south and vision. I have things activated and downloaded relief shading to my phone but cannot see it on the plotter. Currently is seems to be syncing and transferring to the plotter. I think that's the direction info is going. Second question, I only have one sd slot. Which card remains in the machine. The active cap card or the navionics+ card?

 

[dogdoc]

got relief on the plotter. actually seems clearer on my phone. can i still use and ipad for active captain and charts?

 

[Hookup1]

So bit the bullet and bought new plotter with navionics south and vision. I have things activated and downloaded relief shading to my phone but cannot see it on the plotter. Currently is seems to be syncing and transferring to the plotter. I think that's the direction info is going. Second question, I only have one sd slot. Which card remains in the machine. The active cap card or the navionics+ card?

Find my last post to you and follow the instruction.

Once the map card is registered (see it on www.garmin.com account) you can take it out. One Active Captain card remains with the unit at all times.

 

[dogdoc]

yea i figured that. put the charts on the i pad and phone. the detail on the i pad is the best

 

[Hookup1]

yea i figured that. put the charts on the i pad and phone. the detail on the i pad is the best

If you can see the shaded relief charts on your iPad you are getting there. When you connect iPad Active Captain to the boats wifi (Garmin unit) you can watch activity on the AC screen on either device. Connect and walk away! It will upload, verify and install. Initially it can take an hour or two.

What Garmin unit did you buy?

The detail is the same on an iPad or an iPhone - the difference is the resolution. You see a larger area for a given zoom (scale) level. It's like looking thru two different size keyholes.

 

[dogdoc]

Fished with the relief shading yesterday pretty amazing view of the bottom. We were in 15-25ft, seems as though detail diminishes as you get deeper. How deep does it remain effective?

 

[Hookup1]

Fished with the relief shading yesterday pretty amazing view of the bottom. We were in 15-25ft, seems as though detail diminishes as you get deeper. How deep does it remain effective?

Not sure where you are fishing. I'm using shaded relief mostly in the Keys (Islamorada). I find it helpful fishing patch reefs out to the reef edge. Regular fishing charts don't show complex structure.

We collected fishing spots over the years the were consistent producers. We then went back over them with shaded relief and can see why they produced.

We are also using them out in 600' of water around the humps. Really makes to contours pop out when trolling or deep dropping.

Up North in NJ it really shows the artificial reefs. I had entered the waypoints for the reefs in the Cape May area. The shaded relief charts match up well and give you an idea of size of what is down there.

 

[dogdoc]

off vero beach fla. have not had a chance to offshore due to weather. hopefully can try soon.

 

[Hookup1]

off vero beach fla. have not had a chance to offshore due to weather. hopefully can try soon.

On your iPad Active Captain app connected to the internet select "Shaded Relief charts". Pan out to the offshore spots you want to look at. Active Captain will download the charts for that area. You will see what you would see on the chartplotter. Next time you connect to the boats network with Active Captain these charts will upload.

 

[Mustang65fbk]

The reason it is so much clearer on your iPhone or iPad is because those likely have a 4k resolution on their screen as compared to your MFD which is probably 720p, 1080p or something similar. A lot of guys will run an MFD mirrored to their iPad or iPhone as a cheap and easy way of getting two screens without having to buy two separate ones. I believe the only Garmin unit to run a 4k screen resolution so far is their 9000 series MFD's, which start at around $10k and then only go up from there.

 

[Hookup1]

The reason it is so much clearer on your iPhone or iPad is because those likely have a 4k resolution on their screen as compared to your MFD which is probably 720p, 1080p or something similar. A lot of guys will run an MFD mirrored to their iPad or iPhone as a cheap and easy way of getting two screens without having to buy two separate ones. I believe the only Garmin unit to run a 4k screen resolution so far is their 9000 series MFD's, which start at around $10k and then only go up from there.

Not exactly true but you are on the right track. An iPhone and your iPad (probably) are not 4k displays. The 9000 units are 4k. If you can afford a $10,000 display why not buy a second one instead of screwing at round with a half-assed solution? If it would fit in my boat I would do it tomorrow.

You don’t seem to understand that some owners have unlimited budgets and want the best in class.

 

[Sardinia306Canyon]

Fished with the relief shading yesterday pretty amazing view of the bottom. We were in 15-25ft, seems as though detail diminishes as you get deeper. How deep does it remain effective?

Here in Sardinia relief shading becomes very approximated after about 80-100 Meters (250-300ft) , that includes normal bathymetric data what can be up to 500ft off the real depth.
However, down to about 250ft it is amazing accurate and show shoals, ledges and similar structure, but for whatever reason no wrecks. I deep drop frequently and usually between 1000 and 2500ft deep and i use relief shading from Garmin, C-Map and soon probably also Furuno all as app on my iPad to find new to me very deep shoals, ridges or walls to fish there. That works reasonable well, but need some research time first on the iPad and then finding and verifying the previous saved location what is not always simple as position can be a bit approximative.
This makes sense as hydrographic vessels usually don's scan this depths as it will not pose a risk for boats.
Deeper sea bottom mapping is made by satellite hight measure as they discovered that sea surface bulges over sea mountains, ridges and big structures. Nasa started a new satellite for their SWOT Mission to scan sea surfarce with a much more advanced LIDAR system to make satellite based sea flor mapping more accurate.
https://swot.jpl.nasa.gov/
However, i could not find a lot of data so not sure if NASA is still analysing the data.
Chris

 

[dogdoc]

anybody know what those patterns are on relief shading they start to show up at around 600ft

 

[Mustang65fbk]

Not exactly true but you are on the right track. An iPhone and your iPad (probably) are not 4k displays. The 9000 units are 4k. If you can afford a $10,000 display why not buy a second one instead of screwing at round with a half-assed solution? If it would fit in my boat I would do it tomorrow.

You don’t seem to understand that some owners have unlimited budgets and want the best in class.

iPhones display content in 4k, as mentioned above and yes, iPad's have had 4k screen resolutions since around 2022 now, per Google. And I mean if you want twin 19" screens, have the space to put them and want to spend over $20k in doing so, then have at it. I don't imagine most people care to spend $20k just on MFD's, nor are they going to have the space to install twin 19" screens in their boat. Some people likely can't even fit a single 19" display in their boat, those that have twins are likely limited up to a 10"-12" screen size for each. And the rest more than likely have a little bit of common sense in that they would rather buy twin 8616xsv's for $6k a piece, or $4k less each than the 9000 series, because they don't need 4k and are happy with a 1080p screen.

 

[Hookup1]

iPhones display content in 4k, as mentioned above and yes, iPad's have had 4k screen resolutions since around 2022 now, per Google. And I mean if you want twin 19" screens, have the space to put them and want to spend over $20k in doing so, then have at it. I don't imagine most people care to spend $20k just on MFD's, nor are they going to have the space to install twin 19" screens in their boat. Some people likely can't even fit a single 19" display in their boat, those that have twins are likely limited up to a 10"-12" screen size for each. And the rest more than likely have a little bit of common sense in that they would rather buy twin 8616xsv's for $6k a piece, or $4k less each than the 9000 series, because they don't need 4k and are happy with a 1080p screen.

Doesn’t look like 4k to me…
The screen resolution of an iPad depends on the model and size of the iPad. For example, the iPad Pro 12.9-inch has a resolution of 1366 x 1024 pixels, while the iPad Mini 6 has a resolution of 1133 x 744 pixels.
Screen resolutions for different iPad models
iPad Pro 12.9-inch (2021): 1366 x 1024 pixels
iPad Pro 11-inch (2021): 1194 x 834 pixels
iPad Mini 6 (2021): 1133 x 744 pixels
iPad 10.2-inch (2021): 1080 x 810 pixels
iPad Air 13-inch (M2): 1024 x 1366 pixels
iPad Pro 13-inch (M4): 1032 x 1376 pixels
iPad Pro 11-inch (M4): 834 x 1210 pixels
iPad Air 11-inch (M2): 820 x 1180 pixels
iPad Air (4th, 5th generation): 820 x 1180 pixels
iPad Air (3rd generation): 834 x 1112 pixels

 

[Mustang65fbk]

When Google is asked "are iPads 4k screen"...

"Yes, some iPad models have 4K resolution. You can also connect an iPad to an external display with 4K resolution.

4K iPad models

• iPad 10.9-inch Wi-Fi (2022, 10th generation): This iPad has a 4K resolution display.
• iPad Pro 12.9-inch Wi‑Fi (2022, 6th generation): This iPad has a 4K resolution display.
• iPad Pro 11-inch Wi-Fi (2022, 4th generation): This iPad has a 4K resolution display.
• iPad Pro 13-inch WiFi with Standard Glass (M4) (2024, 7th generation): This iPad has a 4K resolution display."

As has been stated numerous times now, an iPad or even an iPhone will be able to at the very minimum display content in 4k and the above iPad's will have better resolution than the OP's MFD. The same can even be said for the newer iPhone's like the 16 Pro Max which will be at 2868 x 1320 pixels, compared to Garmin's best non-4k MFD which appears to be the 8610xsv, which is only 1920 x 1200. Either way, my original point was/is still accurate, in that the OP's iPad and even iPhone will very likely have a better screen display/resolution compared to the MFD that they're viewing, which is why it looks better on them as opposed to the MFD. Either way, it appears as though you're trying to start a flame war, which I have no interest in adding fuel to the fire and potentially derailing another thread more than it already has been. To the OP, good luck with your search/project/setup.

 

[dogdoc]

ok, back to my question. anyone know what those patterns are on my relief shading are?

 

[SkunkBoat]

anybody know what those patterns are on relief shading they start to show up at around 600ft

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So what you are seeing are tracks of newer higher resolution soundings super-imposed over older lower res soundings.
There are not streaks on the bottom.

Old soundings are "smoothed" and lack details that might be there between passes of soundings.

Also remember, the "shading" is a visual effect. There is some artistic license taken...

 

[SkunkBoat]

When Google is asked "are iPads 4k screen"...

"Yes, some iPad models have 4K resolution. You can also connect an iPad to an external display with 4K resolution.

4K iPad models

• iPad 10.9-inch Wi-Fi (2022, 10th generation): This iPad has a 4K resolution display.
• iPad Pro 12.9-inch Wi‑Fi (2022, 6th generation): This iPad has a 4K resolution display.
• iPad Pro 11-inch Wi-Fi (2022, 4th generation): This iPad has a 4K resolution display.
• iPad Pro 13-inch WiFi with Standard Glass (M4) (2024, 7th generation): This iPad has a 4K resolution display."

As has been stated numerous times now, an iPad or even an iPhone will be able to at the very minimum display content in 4k and the above iPad's will have better resolution than the OP's MFD. The same can even be said for the newer iPhone's like the 16 Pro Max which will be at 2868 x 1320 pixels, compared to Garmin's best non-4k MFD which appears to be the 8610xsv, which is only 1920 x 1200. Either way, my original point was/is still accurate, in that the OP's iPad and even iPhone will very likely have a better screen display/resolution compared to the MFD that they're viewing, which is why it looks better on them as opposed to the MFD. Either way, it appears as though you're trying to start a flame war, which I have no interest in adding fuel to the fire and potentially derailing another thread more than it already has been. To the OP, good luck with your search/project/setup.

What is the resolution of the Relief Shaded MAP? doesn't matter what res your screen is if the map is less.
I have spent hours on my couch looking at shaded releif on my iPhone 13. At full zoom, the shaded relief is pixelated.

I'd rather be on the boat looking at a 12" mfd.
I'd rather use the mfd to navigate to a waypoint using autopilot...
I'd rather my iphone/ipad not end up on the deck when I forget to secure it when running 60 miles in 3' to4'

Yes, regardless of resolution, Apple Retina displays look better than Garmin MFDs
were talking 12" screens here, not 75" TVs.

 

[Sardinia306Canyon]

iPhones display content in 4k, as mentioned above and yes, iPad's have had 4k screen resolutions since around 2022 now, per Google.

Sorry, but that is wrong
The iPad has a 2752 x 2064 resolution and 264 ppi, Apple has 5K displays, iPhones and iPads can display 4K content but will downpixel to their respective screen resolution. 4K resolution is 3840 x 2160 pixels
The actually only 4K MFD is (as Hookup1 already mentioned) the Garmin 9000 series .

anybody know what those patterns are on relief shading they start to show up at around 600ft

They look as QuickDraw soundings or ship routes to me, but as picture is cropped it's not visible if they start on a harbour. I never saw anything like this except QuickDraw contours
Can you post a higher resolution screenshot and a maybe another where starting point of this patterns is visible?
Unfortunately my charts don't reach there so i cant look by my self.

Chris