How to set up a 272 sailfish for TUNA

peter devine

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I have been curious about how to out fit this style boat to get giants.
Should I get swivel gunnel rod mounts for the port and starboard aft rod holders for my bent but 80's?
Or should I try to attach some kind of rocket launcher/fighting station in the middle?
I was wondering what to do with my set up?
Any pics would be great as well as stories of how you fought the giant in a 272.
Someone told me to put the rod in the holder and throw one leg over the gunnel and fight this way?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Peter
 

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Peter,
I have never fished for giant tuna, however I have read about it and here is a little of what I gathered.

You need two heavy duty rod holders on the corners (port and stbd side near the transom), swivel type is preferred. Must use heavy backing plates since the fish will be 'fought' while the rod is left in the holder with upwards of 40 pounds of drag pressure. The rods are typically 130 pound class bent butt with 130 reels. Many guys used to use dacron but the modern method normally includes hollow core spectra connected to a heavy 15' to 50' flourocarbon wind on leader.

One thing that concerns me is of all the reading I have done very few guys that fish for giants have outboard powered boats, especially with the eurotransom. I guess it wouldn't be a problem as long as you fought the fish off the side, like we often do when possible (this is especially important when the fish is near the boat at the end of a long battle).
 

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The best way is from the rod holder as you mention, but you will need to beef up the gunnel and add a backing plate along with a swivel rod holder to do this safely and correctly, also have a HD rope attached to a cleat and the reel. You also need to make sure your rods are bent butts if using a swivel holder, a straight butt will not work naerly as well and could possibly fail. I rocket launcher is better on the boby then fighting stand up, but is no match for a giant unless you have yougn guns onboard, you cannot move well and the rod tip is placed in the boat, a bad position for it, you want it ver a gunnel pointed putwards at all times to rpevent the line from hitting the gunnel or catching on a cleat. You also want to make sure the location of the swivel holder is where you can fight a fish while following also, since this is going to be easiest for you rather then backing down with outboards. You might want to add a rod holder between the stock locations for the best position for fighting a fish, following while fighting, and then in forward with the fish trailing when getting ready to land it, this would be the ideal rod location for a swivel holder on your boat and for your fighting style. I would fight a giant stand up beforte I would use a rocket launcher, and a fighting chair is not an option on your boat. a fighting chair would be second best, but is not perfered since you need to sue your whole body weight to make it effective and can beat you up on a giant. For your size boat, stand up and swivel rod holder are the only good choices, but if you go stand up you need a lot of really well fit guys and guy belts and back harnesses to even consider doing that, I recommend landing a few from a holder first before you take that task on.

Thw swivel holder is the most productive method and reliable, but takes much of the fun out of catching the fish, to do this though you need to be fishing 150-200lb leader with 150-200lb hollowcore backing. If you use heavy 200lb straight mono you will not have enough capacioty, a giant can burn off a lot of line and quick and might spool you before you even get the other lines cleared to start to follow the fish, and using lighter line will keep you from taking full advantage of applying great drag pressures. Typically you do not want to exceed 1/4 of the lines rated capacity at strike, and at max, about 1/3 of the lines rating, you can go a little higher but now your flirting with disaster. Fighting from a rod holder means strike drags of maybe 30lbs, meaning 120 is the lightest you can go, but some crews fish upwards of 40lbs of drag from the holder, meaing 160lbs at strike to be safe, making 200lb test the best choice for an 80, some commercial guys who use rod holders fish even 300. You will need a harpoon, and keep the transom clear. Fishing giants takes patience and a crew you trust and who works well together. Troll less rods, 5 would be max for giants on a sailfish IMHO, 1 WWWWWWB down the middle, 2 off planers deep and 2 WWWB off riggers. I would highly recommend calling up Joe Shute (http://www.captjoes.com/)and getting some of his lure's, they are great on giants and the best boats off MHC pull them. Get his 3 oz lures, the 3 oz I believe are $15, cheaper then an islander with better hair and a lot more flash. His lantern's were also hot this past season, so add a few of them as well. Crystal hair with a red head was hot last season, as well as pink hair and pink head, pink/crystal hair and pink head, blue/white combo's, and for low light conditions, purple/black combo's. A lot of boats will troll 1/3-1/2 of the spool of an 80 out, but being that you will have a tougher time backing down then an inboard would, and will need to spin the boat, I would not exceed 1/3. We had a big one on this season for about 2 hours before popping the hook near the boat, and we fished about 300+yards back and were down to maybe 100yards before we got the boat spun and my crew was quick to act.

Best advice I have is have a game plan, make sure everyone knows their job or responsibility, know who is bringing what rods in to clear them and where stuff is to be stored or where your gear is for landing the fish. Keep the deck open and clear and stay calm and confident. Have a few pair of good heavy duty gloves on board, fishing from the holder will require you to often have one guy handlining the line in and one guy on the reel to turn a big fishes head and start to gain on him, and near the boat you will surely need a guy handlining the leader and last few yards. I highly recommend a good harpoon, much better choice then a fly gaff, much easier to throw into a fish then pull back at you, and you typically have more reach with a harpoon then fly gaff, this can make the difference of landing and loosing a fish at the boat. Fly gaff's are better then nothing, but not the choice of commercial boats for good reason. Be consistent once you mark fish, keep going back over the spot, they will come up over time, might take a few passes. I highly recommend using flouro leaders, they do make a difference, Giants are line shy when the bite is slow, which it often is. A little trick is to sometimes pull back the throttles on mark's, or slightly ahea dof them, let the lure's flutter down, and then get back to troll speed and have the lures surge to the surface, I've had many 150-200lb class bft get dupped on that trick, and I know some guys down south that do it as well with great luck, that is where I learned it.
 

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Thanks Tuna Man.
I thought the same with the outboards I have. I have been reading ALOT of tuna info and it is like learning to fish all over again. I have heard you can harpoon them when close to the boat and put a float on them and tie to the aft cleat?? Sounds scary to me if the fish is large. It reminds me of JAWS
 

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If you just fought the fish for 1.5-2 hours+ and harpoon it in the right area that fish will poop out on ya...assuming he doesn;t die and then sink, leaving you his full weight to pull up. I would also tie it off to the bow cleat if possible, let him tow you all he wants if he still has enegery, he will likely be along side the boat as your going to poon him, not behind you, giving your poon man the best shot at the fish. Once you poon the fish, if he is over 500lb you might wanna stick it a second time, and then when possible get him close and get a line through his jaw and then bleed the fish in the water, it will give you better meat and the veins in the meat will shrink, this is how commercial boats bleed giants to get better $$ for their fish, plus you don;t want that much blood on deck, a giant will bleed a lot more then you think. Also, you would not want a lively flopping giant in your boat by any means....if you can even get one in, might have to tow it. Having a block and tackle and attaching it to your far side mid cleat, and having the tail tied off to the aft cleat, with the tail out of the water would be your best bet at getting a giant in, having half the fish at gunnel height helps, then use the block from across the boat to get the fish up, and have 2 guys with gaff's to lift it over once you get it gunnel height, if it is skinny enough, attach the block to a mid cleat and try using the door, but a big giant likely won't fit through your door.
 

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I would consider the cost of outfitting your boat for a commercial tuna license first. You are required to have some pretty expensive safety gear. The rec license let's you keep mid size tuna and one giant a year. Unless you plan on selliing your catch you may be better off with a rec license and outfitting with standup gear .
 

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Don't get caught selling without a comercial liscense.

If you aren't sure what to do, start going after some smaller ones first. A giant is ONE POWERFUL FISH. Someone can get really messed up if they (or someone else) makes a mistake.

I'd advise chartering a boat to see if it's something you want to pursue.