intro and 228 vs 232 vs 258

Pearl Miner

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Hi all! New to the forums here and am in hot pursuit of a new to me Grady! Grew up on the Trent River in Eastern NC and have been boating since I got my 13’ Boston Whaler at 12 years old. Since GW’s are made about 45 min away from there in Greenville, NC, I have been around them my entire life but have not owned one although family members and past neighbors have – so I have been on plenty. I even built the dock/boat house on the Tar River for one of the VP’s there circa 1988 in a high school summertime job in marine construction. Can’t recall what his name was though. Anyway…

My budget wants to be in the $50k range - $60k max - and I want a hull as new as I can afford – I want a newish/good hull that I can repower in the future, not an older hull that has already been repowered. My intended uses include probably 60% of the time fishing between 20 and 40 miles, 20% of the time inshore (fishing, cruising, water sports, etc), 10% of the time fishing from the inlet out to 20 miles and 10% of the time 40 miles and out. The gulf stream is ~55+ miles from the inlets here in Wilmington, NC. I don’t expect overnighting to be done routinely by any stretch. But wouldn't rule out a camp out or 2 at some point.

I have been looking at several of the walkaround models. The 228 Seafarer, the 232 Gulfstream and the 258 Journey. I have not stepped foot on any of them – all of my research to date has been done while sitting behind a computer. My gut feel is that with an 8’ beam the 228 is just going to be too small. However I do like the single power (to an extent) and the economy this boat provides. To me it seems that the 232 and the 258 are going to feel about the same size overall – the power options and the economy (~2.4 mpg at cruise) appear very similar – and there is an amount of security felt being 40+ miles with twins on the transom - it’s just that one will have the size in beam and one will have the size in length. I typically fish with 3 folks total (including myself) on board but on occasion there are 4 of us. I generally will start with trolling and finish the day bottom bouncing – how long for each depends on how the trolling is going.

So with this very limited information, can any of you provide some real world insights for me into the ride and economy of these hulls and how they will fit my purpose the best? As an aside yet perhaps critical piece of information, I also have a wife and 8-yo daughter that want to be a part of the boating/fishing experience. They will primarily be on the boat for the inshore and 0-20 mile trips, but their comfort while onboard is critical to my boating happiness. Hence the walkaround and a porta-potti at the minimum being required.

Thanks in advance for your insights and I look forward to soon becoming an owner and contributor to this board!
 

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I would probably say the 232 for what you plan to do. IMHO, 228 to 232 is a breaking point for ease of loading/unloading at a ramp with the 228 being easy and 232 getting a little more difficult. Of coarse any of them can be trailered, there's just more chance of something happening the larger you go. That's also a breaking point for expenses. My choice came down to the 228 so it wouldn't kill me dollar-wise to go out by myself now and then.
 

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Thanks GulfSea - the 232 is the one I have been leaning towards. In fact, there is one within budget about 4 hours drive from here. I'm planning to go take a look at it but with the holidays it is tough. Probably not gonna make it until the weekend after Thanksgiving. Only problem with this one, it is a 2005 model and I really don't want the integrated transom bench seat - I want the flip down transom bench and the extra fishbox in the transom of the 2006 and newer. May be a waiting game for a better deal on a 2006 than I have seen to date. My only real reason to keep the 258 in consideration is that with the longer LOA and narrower beam I didn't know if it might be a better offshore ride.

And you also bring up a good point! I have a wet slip for the boat. I won't say I'll never trailer this boat but certainly don't plan on it once she is slipped up. The only time I know she will be out of the water is when a hurricane approaches. My marina and insurance carrier require me to get it out of the water in the event of a hurricane. So I need a trailer but don't plan on using it. And my house is less than 2 miles from the marina so it doesn't even need to move far in these dire circumstances.
 

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No road trailering- I'd get a 232. I climbed on most of them of the boat show and the 232 is much bigger thaN it's extra length shows on paper. The 9' 3" beam and higher freeboard make for a much larger feeling boat. The cabin is much larger in volume, although the double bunks on one side, it's not as kid friendly has the 226/228 all flat cabin. The extra beam means more room everywhere, but you'll need a permit to take in on the road (being over 8' 6").
 

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ocnslr-

I'm not 100% sure I follow - are you saying your Island Runner is a 27' boat with an 8' beam? I googled it and it appears to be an 8'6" beam. And no way do I expect to get 5 people on a 22' Seafarer with and 8' beam if that is what you were inferring...

Regardless, I had my fishing buddy check out a 232 for me today - it is 4 hours from me but he happened to be there for Thanksgiving with family. He is very familiar with my last 2 boats, a 22' Sea Pro w/a and 22' Scout CC - he said there was absolutely no comparison in size - that is what I wanted to hear. Sounds like the 232 is probably the boat for me. I just need to wait until I find the right boat and deal for me. The only thing he didn't like was that the deck is not flush - there is the step from up in the helm area down into the cockpit. I looked at the GW website and that step is still there so I'm expecting that is something that isn't going away - whether structural, provides clearance for something else, etc who knows but I don't think it is going away so I'll have to get used to it. At least the captain and passenger should always have dry feet!

As for the cabin layout - is there a filler cushion for the area between the bottom berth and the galley? Seems like if there is there could be room for me or my wife and our daughter on the bottom and the other adult on the top bunk. So there could be the potential to sleep the 3 of us on there for a campout sometime.

Thanks for your comments to all.
 

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I had a single engine 232 (250 E Tec) and it was a great boat. The cockpit is huge and the step up is a good thing, as it allows visibility at the helm. You won't be disappointed.
 

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Maybe the previous poster could chime in, but everything I read about the 232 says to get it with twins.....
 

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I didn't want the added maintenance of twins. One is hard enough to keep up with. My boat was originally built with a Evinrude 225. It was a bit sluggish, but OK. I later replaced it with an ETec 250. It was better, still somewhat sluggish out of the hole, but certainly adequate. Top end was about 42-43 mph. For the speed demons of the world, I suspect it wouldn't cut it, but for me it was fine.
 

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First off, all three are great choices with minor + and (-)'s between them.
I purchased a 228 new and loved the thing. It has a F225 and regularly got 2mpg which is good for a boat that heavy. With the auxilary tank (discontinued after 2005 or 06 due to underwater scuppers when full), it had tremendous range (~300 miles since it carried 148G). So, if you can find a 2005 or 2004 in good shape, that's a good choice.

A good friend of mine has a 258 and I have spent alot of time on it. It's basically the 228 but "more". More waterline length and more horsepower (twin 150's). But of course less mpg and range. Still a good boat and very trailerable.

But my personal favorite is the Gulfstream due to it's beam. That thing seems like a 30 footer on the fishing deck. I have no experience with the ride but again - I do like that beam! There's a reason why GW still builds them (they remain in demand). Good luck in your search but again, all three models are sweet.
 

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I have a 232 and have ridden on a friend's 258 Journey. I think the Journey rides a little better than my 232 because of the narrower beam. I love my Gulfstream, though.
 

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Thanks for all the replies here. I finally had a chance to see a 232 and WOW. That boat just is big for a 23'. It was in a wet slip so I only got to see the outside, not the cabin. But from what I saw, that is the one I'm going to focus on for now.

I hear the replies above on single vs twins. To me they both have pros and cons. For my needs, I'm going to be looking in the 2006-2009 range for cockpit/helm layout and features. Oh yeah, and to try and stay within budget! I have seen a few boats with singles - only 1 is a 250, the other 2 are 350's. I'm not sure I would get this model without twins or the 350.

As for HMBJack and his discussion of the 228 and routinely getting better than 2 mpg. Is the Grady White website data on performance a little liberal/over stated? Because it says the 228 gets something in the 3.2 mpg range. And it says the 232 with twin 150's gets in the 2.3 mpg range - both of these at cruise of course (I'm pulling both these from memory but they are close). Perhaps your statment was more "all purpose" mileage than the "best possible efficiency" expected. Because if the 232 is going to do much worse than 2 mpg I may have to rethink this thing a little... I want as much boat as I can get but I don't want to be boat poor sitting in the cockpit at the marina...
 

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The 232 is a great boat and sounds like it should fit your needs well. I have a 2000 Gulfstream that I repowered with a pair of Yamaha f150s. I do think the performance data on the Grady site may be a little overstated but the f150s still get great fuel economy in my opinion. I typically fish offshore running 40-60 miles each way with a crew of 2 - 4, several hundred pounds of ice, gear, 180 gallons of fuel and I seem to average 1.7-2.3mpg. Hope this helps.
 

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My 232 has twin 200 4-strokes. I get 1.9-2.1 cruising at 3700-3900 RPM at 30-32 MPH.

1.7-1.9 in rough seas using tabs and down trim.
 

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Depending on the seas from flat calm on a lake to the ocean, we typically get anywhere from 2.5 to 3.2 on the 228 with a F250. I trailer a lot, so the 232 was a concern for me, but that boat seems to be awesome. If I had to do it over again and someday soon I hope I will, I would give that 24 footer a sea trial as well. I like the 228 and take it everywhere from lakes to the ocean to the islands. Great boat, but the beam on the 232 is very sweet for fishing. Good luck.
 

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Fuel economy data on any New Boat Manufacturer, or Car Dealer for that matter, is always is very best case scenarios. I discount the data by 20 or 30% to get real world data. Better yet, talk to someone you trust who has the boat/engine combo you're looking for to get their "real world" experience with fuel economy.

Of course you don't know me but I will tell you, and can show you, my exact fuel economy for my 228G over three years. I keep detailed records of everything on all my boats. But know - my #'s may be lower than others as I had the following conditions:
1. Always ran with full fuel (150G (Main + Auxilary tanks). I was kinda anal about this at the time.
2. Always ran in the Pacific Ocean off San Francisco (translation: rougher seas than what most 228's go through).
3. I had a Yamaha T8 Kicker on the transom which adds a good 200 extra pounds

With the above, I averaged 2.0 statute mpg on most trips. 50 miles, 25 gallons. 100 miles, 50 gallons. Sometimes a little better if it wasn't 6 or 8 feet every 10 seconds on the swell.

But of the 3 choices you're looking at - I do like the Gulf Stream the best for reasons stated earlier.

Of course, the only thing better than a Grady White is a BIGGER Grady White (like a 28, or a 30 or a ...)

Good luck in your search and decision! Cheers,