Issues mounting VHF near Multifunction sonar

Charlies Charters

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I am in the process of flush mounting my new Northstar M-84 in my grady but need to mount the VHF as well [flush mount] these 2 units fit perfect on the starboard but I am kinda concerned on a possable interfearance from the radio. I called Northstar tech support and was informed that no problem mounting next to the unit even though the spec in the manual is around 10 to 12 inchs. Has anyone mounted the radio real close to their sonars and did anyone excperiance interfearance?

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Charlie: I was one of the unlucky few who did have a problem, but my unit is a Garmin 4208. The interference was so strong it rendered the VHF useless. Garmin tried to be helpful, even replacing the suspected sounder and XM weather black boxes. In the end I bought a "black box" VHF radio, which I mounted under the deck, with all the controls on the mike. Works okay. Channel 68 is the only unuseable channel.

Friends have the same Garmin 4208 with radios adjacent and no problem.

My 4208 throws out enough interference that I believe I see the noise on my sounder screen. I can't get rid of it even if I turn the gain to zero!

Were I to do this again, I would power everything up in my garage and test it first. Or at least power the Northstar in the store and run a handheld VHF around it to check for noise.

Again, from what I see, my experience is the exception, not the norm.

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Bob: Yes. Each component, 4208, GSD22, GDL30A and the VHF itself are all grounded. I even tried grounding directly to the battery, but it made no difference. I put ferrites on the cables, I wrapped expensive 'EMI' tape around the VHF antenna cable and the VHF itself. Garmin replaced the GSD22 (for an unrelated reason) and the GDL30A. That leaves either the 4208 as the culprit or I screwed up the installation in a way that I can't find.

With all of that, the interference is now limited to channel 68 and even that I can squelch out. Now if I could just get the noise off the sounder screen.

Sorry, didn't mean to hijack the thread ...

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Wahoo, if there is nothing wrong with the 4208 or VHF, it has to be the boat, after all, the 4208 doesn't know what boats it's in. I have all of my components practically touching eachother in the hardtop box, with the radar scanner inches away, all violating the manuf. installation recommendations. No problems.

Check the shield (braid) wire on the radio's antenna, it may be cut or (partially) disconnected somewhere perhaps at a terminal.

Your negative power feeds to the components and the chassis grounds, are they are single point grounds?

Take a 10 ft length of say 8-10 gauge copper house wiring will do, strip off all the insulation, drop it over the side and when the interference is occurring, touch the chassis grounds of each component, see if it has an effect.

We will get to the bottom of this. The problem needs to be addressed, wouldn't call it hijacking!
More like multitasking!
 

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Bob: Thanks for the advice. I will try the grounding to seawater - interesting thought.

I'm not sure what "single point grounding" is. If it is, as it sounds, a skimpy little wire connected to the negative terminal of a fuse box or battery, then yes.

I'm pretty sure it is the 4208 itself throwing off the intereference. With all other components unplugged and not powered, I still get the interference. Using my handheld as an 'interference meter' the 4208 sure seems to be the focal point.

I replaced the radio and plugged in a temporary antenna to eliminate them from consideration.

I will try the seawater-grounding of the chasis idea.

Tx, Rob
 

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Single point grounding means one common point (physically) say for neg power out of your bridge console. If you have different ground points, there could be a potential difference between the multiple points thus the chassic grounds are not operating at the same level for each device, and can circulate current between them.

If you are not sure if the Garmin is OK, send it back to the factory along with the entire harness, power plug, etc, and ask them to verify the unit is in compliance with noise standards it was certified / built to.

Modern electronics are under higher industry noise standards than older equipment was. This should not occur any more.

I sent my Raymarine equipment back to the factory three times, each time they said nothing was wrong with any component. The head unit would shut down and restart by itself, showing a scanner failure - loss of radar, like I was going out fishing in fog all day with this garbage. System was less than 1 season old.

Even though they tested the scanner fine, I knew the scanner was not integrating properly, so out of frustration, I bought a new scanner and it fixed the problem immediately, paid $900 plus tax to fix the problem even though it was all under warranty, I had no choice. Need I have to say where my money is not going next time.

Also check your FF cable to be sure the outer braided conductor at the plug is making good contact, and the plug is fully engaged.

By the way, do you have any inverters, battery chargers, or things with motors running when the interference occurs ?

And are there times with no interference? If so, what's the difference about the circumstances?
 

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Wahho, the wire over the side suggestion is just to see if there is an effect or not.
There is no better ground than mother earth !
 

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Wahoo, did you splice the VHF antenna? If you did, that might be the problem, exposed or unprotected shield some times does give interference.Could be also the radio and not the 4208.A loose ground in the VHF.