Joystick docking system for outboards

ksgoldman

GreatGrady Captain
Joined
Aug 20, 2009
Messages
114
Reaction score
2
Points
18
Location
Cape Coral, Fl
Model
Freedom 275
I just got to see the new Teleflex Optimus 360 system in action

My 21 year old son and I just came back from three days at the Miami boat show and by far the best thing that we saw was the new Teleflex Optimus 360 system that brings joystick docking to outboard powered boats (which we got to go test ride and it was truly amazing!). I have always been intrigued by the concept of joystick docking ever since I first saw the Zeus and IPS systems when they initially came to market. When joysticks came to the I/O market, I serious considered moving from outboard powered boats to I/O just to get joystick controls. That said, I’m a huge fan of outboards because of their reliability, ease of servicing, and the fact that where I boat, if I foul a line, I can raise the engine, clear the line, and not have to go in the water to untangle the mess.

At the boat show, my son and I went on a test ride on a Volvo-powered, joystick-equipped boat and got to witness firsthand how great joystick docking is. Although I have decent boat handling skills in close quarters (docking, etc.), I typically either single-hand my boat, or am out with my wife who is a very reluctant mate in terms of line handling and helping to dock a boat (which at times makes things even worse than single-handing my boat). At the show, I thought about how great it would be to have joystick controls but wasn’t ready to give up my Grady White and my twin Yamahas.

During our test ride on the Volvo-powered boat, we asked if anyone was doing joystick controls for outboards (recalling that Yamaha had announced something a number of years ago but had yet to bring anything to market) and were told that Mercury was working on something. We then stopped by the Mercury tent and asked them about joystick-equipped outboard systems. The response was effectively that they could neither confirm nor deny that they were working on such a system other than that they had been able to do it with I/O powered boats, so that it was not out of the realm of possibility that they would someday do it with an outboard-powered boat. For a brief moment after talking with Mercury, I considered that I might be convinced to repower with Mercury in order to get joystick controls (even though I’m a big fan of Yamaha, and not a fan of Mercury – just by way of personal preference and experience).

After leaving the Mercury tent, we continued down the dock and happened to see a 30 foot center console boat with twin 250 outboards hanging off the boat. My son and I both thought it looked like the tie bar connecting the two engines was broken, as the engines were splayed, with the port engine swung outboard to port, and starboard engine swung outboard to starboard. We walked up to the boat to take a closer look and happened to see several guys wearing Teleflex shirts and hats that said “Seastar Optimus 360”. We immediately asked about what we were seeing and inquired if Teleflex had done what we had hoped that somebody might in terms of independent engine steering and controls (some of you may recall that the whole concept of joystick docking was originally tested on a twin outboard boat that had two separate steering wheels and engine control systems a different person operating each engine).

The team from Teleflex confirmed that they had indeed developed a comprehensive system that not only brought joystick controls to outboard powered boats, but that they system could be retrofit to any boat with mechanical engine controls and brings the additional benefits of variable assist power-steering, and electronic throttle controls with automatic engine synchronization. We were completely blown away by how well the system was designed, and spent almost an hour that first day looking at how it was installed and integrated into the boat. It is truly an engineering marvel in terms of the integration to the existing boat and systems and that it is a straight-forward retrofit. The team from Teleflex told us that they had been working on it for quite some time and had equipped and tested several boats with the system (including a Grady White somewhat similar to mine) and that it does exactly what I was hoping for in terms of giving 360 maneuverability at docking including being able to move a boat perfectly sideways, as well as diagonally forwards and backwards. Even the best captain can’t come close to doing what this system brings to an outboard powered boat.

We were invited back the next day to take a test ride on one of their Optimus 360 equipped boats (they had two at the show) and the experience was better than an E-ticket ride at Disney (for those who are old enough to remember what an E-ticket ride was at Disney). We were joined for the test ride by several members of the Teleflex team including their CEO (all really great guys) and got to spend another hour seeing the boat in action. I was willing to write a check then and there to buy the system.

The new helm is amazing in that the user can dial in the amount of resistance at slow and at high speeds (so that at slow speeds you get more assist and at high speeds you have a heavier wheel that stays on course). You can also change the lock-to-lock count for the wheel. Likewise getting electronic shift and throttle means you get silky smooth control of your engines and the added benefit of automatic synchronization of engine RPMs between the two motors (I’m constantly bumping one engine up or down to try to manually sync my engines). Teleflex provides a digital display and control system that shows you what is going on with each motor in terms of engine sync, engine position, and a host of other information and variable parameters for the Optimus 360 systems. Also, the entire system can be interfaced to either a Garmin or Raymarine autopilot (and since I don’t currently have autopilot, I don’t need to add Garmin’s autopilot pump kit since the Seastar Optimus 360 now gives you electronically-controlled power steering).

My son and I got to try out the joystick controls and it was everything I could have imagined and more. We made the boat go perfectly sideways in a strong current and in decent winds and were able to adjust the direction of our bow and stern with extremely fine precision to offset any of the variables that you typically run into at the dock. Just thinking about docking with a system like this and no longer yelling to (or at) my wife to fend off of a piling or another boat, or to get a line onto a cleat before we are blown off the dock would absolutely save my marriage (this system has to be a lot cheaper than a divorce).

I absolutely love my boat and the thought of adding joystick controls along with electronic throttle and steering (making the entire boat “drive-by-wire”) is very exciting. Before anyone asks the question, I have absolutely nothing to do with Teleflex other than having Seastar steering on my current and prior boats. I found that the team from Teleflex was genuinely interested in customer feedback (especially Yvan Cote – the CEO) and that they were extremely proud of their new Optimus 360 system. I actually asked permission to write this post (which I am writing on my plane trip back to Boston) as I wanted to be one of the first people to talk about having seen it in action and having tested it on an actually boat. To me this is a real “game changer” for outboard-powered boats.

The link to the Teleflex Optimus 360 website is:

http://www.teleflexmarine.com/products/ ... ol-system/

and the link to the brochure for the system is:

http://www.teleflexmarine.com/wp-conten ... lowres.pdf

As my birthday is coming up, I know what to ask my wife to buy me (please!).

Only 52 days until my boat goes in the water (but who is counting).

Ken
 

seasick

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 19, 2008
Messages
9,531
Reaction score
1,420
Points
113
Location
NYC
That looks really neat! I would love to test such a setup.
 

Fishtales

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 31, 2005
Messages
8,031
Reaction score
1,286
Points
113
Looks interesting. Would be nice to have but would need to understand the reliability. There appears to be a lot of parts. How much to install new or retro? I don't think there would be much of a market on small boats. We will have to see.
 

chesapeake

Member
Joined
Feb 15, 2012
Messages
13
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Fishtales said:
Looks interesting. I don't think there would be much of a market on small boats. We will have to see.


+2

Maybe the 33'+ Gradys
 

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS

GreatGrady Captain
Joined
Jun 26, 2006
Messages
1,993
Reaction score
5
Points
38
Age
60
Location
LONG ISLAND NEW YORK
That was a great write up on a great product. I am assuming will work with Yamaha and other outboards. By any chance, did you ask if it can be installed on your boat(will also work for mine too) and how much about would cost?
Also, by any chance, did you ask if that system will do a "sky anchor" ?
 

seasick

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 19, 2008
Messages
9,531
Reaction score
1,420
Points
113
Location
NYC
chesapeake said:
Fishtales said:
Looks interesting. I don't think there would be much of a market on small boats. We will have to see.


+2

Maybe the 33'+ Gradys
What do you consider 'small'. I would imagine that even for boats in the 25 foot range, this system could be advantageous especially for folks who have tight access to docks or docks in windy/strong current areas. It would also enable family and friends with less experience to operate a vessel in conditions that normally would be a challenge.
Even for my small boat, when I have strong winds on the bow when docking, controlling where the boat goes can be a bear. I also dock in an area where the water depth drops off very quickly in a short distance, certainly less than a boat length, so getting out of whack at lower tides can present risks of motor contact with the bottom. I hope that motor maunfactures also develop similar systems for their product lines (hear that Yamaha?) that also includes fly by wire systems.
 

max366

GreatGrady Captain
Joined
Oct 6, 2010
Messages
300
Reaction score
32
Points
28
Location
East Falmouth
Model
Express 265
I found the price on-line for this system is about $3200. Parts only, no labor.
 

Salinity Now

Well-Known Member
Joined
Sep 17, 2010
Messages
161
Reaction score
0
Points
0
Im definently not knocking the new idea or the new products, I would love to have about a 40ft express with IPS drives, having worked on tugs with Z drives, and ships with Dynamic Positioning, the idea of applying this technology to small boats is just awsome.

With all that being said, if I ever used that much throttle at the docks and made that much prop wash coming alongside a pier/dock.....Id be ashamed of myself, I just cant imagen all that throttle and quick shifting would be good for your engine?

Im curious if these systems have outside conditions/weather influence inputs, in particular heading. My 10 year old autopilot has the ability to sense weather and wind/sea influences, Im curious if these systems have the ability to tell my bow is falling off cuase of high winds and my curtains up? I know my 265 catches wind on the bow like crazy, yanks its right off the dock. Can these systems sense that or have the ability to compensate?

Either way its a great advancement in technology, but I just cant imagen coming alongside a resturant in the summer time and churning up the water that much, Im a big fan of slow like a pro!!!!
 

NOTHING ELSE MATTERS

GreatGrady Captain
Joined
Jun 26, 2006
Messages
1,993
Reaction score
5
Points
38
Age
60
Location
LONG ISLAND NEW YORK
Salinity, i agree with you 100%. The big draw back is that there is no Dynamic Positioning option on this system yet. I think a good captain and maybe with a help of a thruster, can make the boat dance.
 

seasick

Well-Known Member
Joined
Aug 19, 2008
Messages
9,531
Reaction score
1,420
Points
113
Location
NYC
OK, so maybe it's expensive and there is some wash in certain cases but the point to me is that it is a new idea for technology that hasn't seen a lot of new things. Can rotating LUs be that far off??? It wouldn't be that much of a challenge to make an LU turn-able. With existing electronic controls think how neat that would be.
Heck, think of single outboard boats with a turn-able LU.
 

max366

GreatGrady Captain
Joined
Oct 6, 2010
Messages
300
Reaction score
32
Points
28
Location
East Falmouth
Model
Express 265
Nothing else- you're completely right- I had bad info. :sorry
 

Fishtales

Well-Known Member
Joined
Jan 31, 2005
Messages
8,031
Reaction score
1,286
Points
113
Personally I don't get enough time behind the wheel for an autopilot or even this type of system. I want to drive my boat - thank you.
Maybe if I was going waay offshore all the time or had problems docking, but this seems like overkill to me.
 

akilbourne

New Member
Joined
May 23, 2012
Messages
3
Reaction score
0
Points
0
ksgoldman

I think I saw a post of yours on the hull truth, that you put the Optimus system on your GW 275. Wanted to see how it is doing after all these years. I bought a new 2015 GW 275 this year and am thinking of adding the Optimus as well. It would be of great help when I am single handing in the wind (most of the time). Would love to get your thoughts on the system now that you have used it for a while.

Thx,

Drew