Leaking fuel tanks 306 Bimini

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Recently purchased a2006 306 Bimini from a private person in Mystic Ct. was told that fuel tanks were just built and installed. Got boat home and smelled fuel in bilge. Had boat pulled, floors and Lean bar removed. The tanks were new forward one was by leaking. Had it removed and repaired along with changing cracked fittings and bad fuel lines. All done boat home for a week and noticed fuel coming out of plug in boat. Another leak. Boat back to mechanic everything taken apart again. This time rear tank leaking on welded spot. New tanks horrible workmanship. At this point going to have new tanks built by a reputable person. The fact that tanks were new was comforting but turns out to be a very expensive nightmare.
 

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Can consider if Poly tanks might be a solution for you. They won’t have the same capacity because it won’t be a custom fit.
Perhaps the new tanks weren’t properly secured, and possibly moved while underway, causing stress on the welds?
 

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Can consider if Poly tanks might be a solution for you. They won’t have the same capacity because it won’t be a custom fit.
Perhaps the new tanks weren’t properly secured, and possibly moved while underway, causing stress on the welds?
I guess that is a possibility but the welder who repaired the first leak felt that the tanks were not welded that good.
 
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Tank builders should be certified. I used SP Tanks in Clermonte, NJ. May be too far for you. They built two tanks for me last Summer and advised me how to install them properly.

 
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Tank builders should be certified. I used SP Tanks in Clermonte, NJ. May be too far for you. They built two tanks for me last Summer and advised me how to install them properly.

Whoever the previous owner used did poor work. The previous owner was flipping the boat and looked for the cheapest price. Where the baffles are welded into the tank it is paper thin and a pinhole. Previous owner doesn’t answer my texts. Lesson learned.
 

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Whoever the previous owner used did poor work. The previous owner was flipping the boat and looked for the cheapest price. Where the baffles are welded into the tank it is paper thin and a pinhole. Previous owner doesn’t answer my texts. Lesson learned.

Are their compliance stickers on the tank? You may be able to threaten legal action. Even DIY small claims court.
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No stickers on tanks. You can see that they are new. My mechanic refuses to put them back in the boat and I don’t blame him. Can’t take that chance. I almost always have my grandchildren on boat.
 

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I could not imagine doing all this work twice. What a mess. Thanks for taking care of the boat and doing it right.
 

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I'd be on to the seller. I don't think you'll find poly in that size. Keep us informed of what you do and cost.
 

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I'd be on to the seller. I don't think you'll find poly in that size. Keep us informed of what you do and cost.
I am having new tanks built by a reputable fabricator. They are not cheap but the boat will be safe.
 

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Dang, that sucks!

Just a quick question as I am in the market for a 306 Bimini/Canyon.
You could pull the tanks without cutting any fiberglass, just removing bench and fuel tank cover?

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Yes it is not that terrible. Bulkhead between the tanks has to be cut out. The guy I bought the boat from sprayed foam between the tanks to keep them in place. My mechanic had the bulkhead fiberglased back in. He felt the foam would hold water and rot tanks. Grady does it right.
 

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Thanks Man!
That is a huge advantage of the Bimin and most/all GW boats, too much boats on the water where pulling a fuel tank lead to thousands for a fiberglass shop to cut the deck and glass it back in after the new tank is installed. Not sure why engineers do that, my first guess is "I don't mind" and second guess is that some believe if the fuel tank is glassed under no water will drop on it what is theoretically correct but real live show that this does not work.
I was to go to Corsica to see a beautiful Pursuit 337OS but fortunately I did a search and stumbled over a 2 part video from a fiberglass shop who did that job and that steered me to tell owner that I drop out.

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im going through this with my Chase. the previous owner replaced the tank with a backyard build. no cert sticker and some questionalble finishing touches. i found this out after finding fuel in the bilge and failing a pressure test. turns out this tank had a cracked weld. going with a certified marine fuel tank fabricator is the ONLY way to do it. if you dont have a place yet, i have a great place in NJ doing mine now. they use 100% american materials (including filler rod for welding), fully welded baffels, strengenthed mount plates for sender/pickup, and more. Atlantic Coastal Welding.

it sucks, but you will have more peace of mind than before.
 

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im going through this with my Chase. the previous owner replaced the tank with a backyard build. no cert sticker and some questionalble finishing touches. i found this out after finding fuel in the bilge and failing a pressure test. turns out this tank had a cracked weld. going with a certified marine fuel tank fabricator is the ONLY way to do it. if you dont have a place yet, i have a great place in NJ doing mine now. they use 100% american materials (including filler rod for welding), fully welded baffels, strengenthed mount plates for sender/pickup, and more. Atlantic Coastal Welding.

it sucks, but you will have more peace of mind than before.
A shop not that far from my home that is coast guard certified was recommended to me. I took the other tanks there for them to match and saw a few tanks they built. The workmanship seemed much better. Hopefully done in two weeks and reinstalled back in boat for the last time.
 

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Only way to go. Crazy what some will do to their boats to save a few dollars.
 

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Recently purchased a2006 306 Bimini from a private person in Mystic Ct. was told that fuel tanks were just built and installed. Got boat home and smelled fuel in bilge. Had boat pulled, floors and Lean bar removed. The tanks were new forward one was by leaking. Had it removed and repaired along with changing cracked fittings and bad fuel lines. All done boat home for a week and noticed fuel coming out of plug in boat. Another leak. Boat back to mechanic everything taken apart again. This time rear tank leaking on welded spot. New tanks horrible workmanship. At this point going to have new tanks built by a reputable person. The fact that tanks were new was comforting but turns out to be a very expensive nightmare.
I gave a Grady 247 Advavce with a 151 gallon tank that I had to replace. Purchased one from Welders World Miami Fl. 305-778-1221 They mfg all Grady tanks. Incredible quality. My 151 gallon was $2599. It has all the required certifications stamped on it.
 

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I gave a Grady 247 Advavce with a 151 gallon tank that I had to replace. Purchased one from Welders World Miami Fl. 305-778-1221 They mfg all Grady tanks. Incredible quality. My 151 gallon was $2599. It has all the required certifications stamped on it.
Thank you. I just picked up the new ones. Stamped and certified. You can visibly see the craftsmanship on them.
 

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Yes it is not that terrible. Bulkhead between the tanks has to be cut out. The guy I bought the boat from sprayed foam between the tanks to keep them in place. My mechanic had the bulkhead fiberglased back in. He felt the foam would hold water and rot tanks. Grady does it right.
Hey Nypd4861

Do you have the measures of the GW fuel tanks as i fear worst case scenario happens and i will need to pull them and in this case probably replace.
There is no "real" leak but it seems to me that rubber seal between fuel sender plate and tank is leaking a tiny bit, or one of the elbows, i will replace the seal to see if that fixes the problem and verify how inside looks and where all the rust is coming from, but that is in another tread i write now.
Mine are Florida Marine Tanks
FMT - 150A - GW
FMT - 140A - GW

Chris
 

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I am dealing with a wired problem on my port engine, basically:
after about 30-60 minutes idling or 1500 rpm trolling i want to accelerate to move fast to another place and port engine start to stutter, looses rpm (but does not die) and lately i can hear some backfire. So far so good.
The wired thing is: if i switch off port engine and start her immediately again problem is gone and she act totally normal, same if i switch off the engine before i accelerate.

So first thing to check was to replace the primer bulb with a new one, same problem, then cleaning the racor type spin on cartridge water separating fuel filters with a unknown brand cartridge and we found water and a lot of rust particles in the filter element. Probably a bit more than a liquor shot glass full. The catrtridges were badly rusted so i first thought it was rust from the cartridge itself, but after about 200 gallons of fresh fuel again water drops and less rust particles in the filters. Rust and water drops were in both filters and coming from both tanks as after first filter replacement i switched fuel valves so that each engine is using it's own tank
Yes, they are rust particles as they are attracted by a magnet.

I am aware that i have to pull the fuel senders to have a look inside the tanks to check what else is in there and i found yesterday a new seal for one who it seems is leaking a tiny, tiny bit as the water poodle around sender plate and elbows has a light gasoline smell.

However, still stumped to have so much rust inside a aluminum fuel tank with no ferrous parts (as far i know) except maybe the spirals inside the fuel filler hose, but they must be in a very bad shape to expose the steel wire what i would exclude on first guess.

The most probable hypothesis is that when i bought the boat in the first days of June and filled it up at the marina there, the water and rust came from their in winter low used gasoline tank, or it was just before refilled and the sediments were stirred up. Second hypothesis is that ex owner who used plastic jerry cans to fuel got contaminated fuel on a road gas station.
The last hypothesis is that the person who replaced the rear tank fuel sender dropped a nut, screwdriver or anything other ferrous material inside then tank and left it there and it started to rust over the time.
However, bad gas is the most understandable reason and its not uncommon here, particularly in spring in Marinas or in less frequented gas stations.

For this reason two hints to avoid that nasty problem:
1° avoid to get fuel (diesel or gasoline) in a low traffic gas station or in spring in a marina, the most frequented ones are more safe also for getting freshest fuel
2° never ever fill fuel when the tanker is there or just leaves as filling will stir up the sediments
Gast stations should have frequently and often maintained filters and my friend who wons ane here in town don't use the refilled tank for two days

Next task is to pull the fuel sender and check inside to decide if polishing the fuel would be enough or if i have to pull the tanks to clean them well (and replace them in case of corrosion)
Thats number 5 of 5 boats i had here and had to replace the fuel tank, 1 50 gallon aluminum tank by Florida Marine Tanks on my BW 23 Outrage and 3 Stainless steel tanks on my Italian made boats plus eventually the two in my 306 Canyon.

I hope i can find two reasonable big size poly tanks, if not i fear i will need to have build again a SS tank here or import a aluminum tank from US.

I am doomed ....

Chris