Sibs
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Very clean install, that looks good.On the 265 I had managed 2 12" flush mounted on a piece of king starboard, no cutting of fiberglass at all. Just some measuring. One unit was new simrad go12 which I really liked
The Garmin 8610xsv is also a discontinued model, which it started off with a $2,800 msrp price tag from the Garmin website when it was brand new and available through them. BOE Marine is where I do all of my online electronics or marine orders through as they generally always have the best pricing, they will match other retailers prices and they don't charge tax. When I was shopping for MFD's in late June or early July of this summer they didn't have any close out prices like they do now, even the Garmin 943xsv at the time retailed at $1,499, of which I found it for $1,399 and BOE Marine matched the deal. Now they've got the 943xsv at $1,240.79, the 8610xsv at $2,300 and the 1243xsv at $2,370. At the time when I purchased my GPS, the 8610xsv wasn't on sale, nor were any of the other units, which I'm assuming has to do with it no longer being peak season and that they're likely going to come out with new products relatively soon, so they're putting the older ones on sale or discounted prices. Also at the time, I didn't really want to spend $2,800 just for an MFD, especially on a smaller 228 Seafarer where I personally don't really think I need that large of a screen. I also needed to buy a new transducer or at least figured that I needed one as my old MFD was almost 10 years old, so I spent an extra $300 on a brand new Garmin transducer as well, putting the total at around $1,700. Which again, I could've spent almost $3k on just an MFD alone, but then I'd need a transducer on top of that and I didn't want to spend almost $4k on electronics as my fishing needs are very basic. I like the Fish Eye 3d chart that Garmin has where it shows the colored dots that are supposedly the fish, and then I also added the depth to that screen as well as water temperature, direction and my speed.It’s not inches you are dividing - It’s pixels. Radar and sonar don’t use/need the high screen resolution. The software is trying to plot the chart detail for a particular zoom level. Screen resolution affects what detail can be shown at that zoom level. And that zoom level is different on different units.
Try this on whatever Garmin unit you have:
*Pick an inshore spot that has lots of things going on. Depth contours, channel markers, fishing spots you have marked, etc.
*Zoom in so you can see all the detail the map has to offer.
*Zoom out so you can see the big picture as if you were cruising where you can see markers ahead of you. At some point you will loose the details. Note the scale on the bottom of the screen.
*Go to another Garmin unit (different model or screen size) and do the same thing. You will see that dropout occur at a different scale.
The comparison below shows that screen resolution runs in the family. The 943/1243 are 1280x720/800, the 86xx series is 1920x1200/1080 and the 42xx are 800x600.
So a bigger screen within a family gives you more screen but not more pixels. To get more pixels you have to switch to another family of products.
943xsv $1,399.99
physical 9.2" x 6.4" x 3" (23.3 x 16.2 x 7.6 cm). 5 1/2" cutout height
screen 7.8" x 4.4"; 9.0" diagonal
WXGA; 1280 x 720
8610xsv $2,699.99.
physical 10.25" x 8.0625" x 2.95" (25.9 cm x 20.5 cm x 7.5 cm). 6 15/16" cutout height
screen 8.6" x 5.4"; 10.1" diagonal
WUXGA; 1920 x 1200 pixels. <<< Best resolution
1243xsv is $2,899.99
physical 12.1” x 8.9” x 3.2” (30.8 x 22.8 x 8.2 cm). 7 15/16" cutout height
screen. 10.3" x 6.4"; 12.1" diagonal
WXGA; 1280 x 800 pixels
8612xsv $3,999.99
physical 11.9" x 8.5" x 3" (30.3 cm x 21.6 cm x 7.6 cm) 7 3/8" cutout height
10.1" x 5.7"; 11.6" diagonal
FHD; 1920 x 1080 pixels
8616xsv $5,999.00
physical 15.1" x 10.3" x 3" (38.5 cm x 26.3 cm x 7.6 cm) 9 3/16" cutout height
screen 13.6" x 7.7"; 15.6" diagonal
FHD; 1920 x 1080 pixels
8617 $7,499.00
physical 16.5" x 12.1" x 2.8" (41.9 cm x 30.7 cm x 7.1 cm) 9 3/16" cutout height
screen 14.4" x 9.1"; 17.0" diagonal
WUXGA; 1920 x 1200 pixels
4210
physical 13.4" x 8.9" x 4.2" (34 x 22.6 x 10.7 cm) 8 5/16" cutout height
screen 8.3" x 6.3"; 10.4" diagonal
SVGA; 800 x 600 pixels
My advice is to install the largest, highest resolution unit that fits your budget. I would not install 2 x 9" units. If the budget is there install a second unit not necessarily next to each other.
I highly recommend the 8610xsv. It is $200 less than the 1243xsv and is 1920x800 pixels vs. 1280x800. It has a faster processor and more ports for sonar connections. If you have the room for a 12" display the 8612xsv is a great choice. More money and a few less pixels.
I have a 8612xsv at helm and 943xsv overhead. The 943xsv works well for my use case (sonar/radar) with its lower resolution. I may upgrade the 943xsv to a 8610xsv this year - only because of a marina inventory clearance deal.
The Garmin 84xx/86xx are Garmin's top of the line chart plotters. They are not discontinued. The 943 and 1243 are newer "value" units that are not discontinued either. Garmin price fixes all their units and does not allow discounting. Over the last two years these models were in high demand and short supply. No one is giving them away.The Garmin 8610xsv is also a discontinued model, which it started off with a $2,800 msrp price tag from the Garmin website when it was brand new and available through them. BOE Marine is where I do all of my online electronics or marine orders through as they generally always have the best pricing, they will match other retailers prices and they don't charge tax. When I was shopping for MFD's in late June or early July of this summer they didn't have any close out prices like they do now, even the Garmin 943xsv at the time retailed at $1,499, of which I found it for $1,399 and BOE Marine matched the deal. Now they've got the 943xsv at $1,240.79, the 8610xsv at $2,300 and the 1243xsv at $2,370. At the time when I purchased my GPS, the 8610xsv wasn't on sale, nor were any of the other units, which I'm assuming has to do with it no longer being peak season and that they're likely going to come out with new products relatively soon, so they're putting the older ones on sale or discounted prices. Also at the time, I didn't really want to spend $2,800 just for an MFD, especially on a smaller 228 Seafarer where I personally don't really think I need that large of a screen. I also needed to buy a new transducer or at least figured that I needed one as my old MFD was almost 10 years old, so I spent an extra $300 on a brand new Garmin transducer as well, putting the total at around $1,700. Which again, I could've spent almost $3k on just an MFD alone, but then I'd need a transducer on top of that and I didn't want to spend almost $4k on electronics as my fishing needs are very basic. I like the Fish Eye 3d chart that Garmin has where it shows the colored dots that are supposedly the fish, and then I also added the depth to that screen as well as water temperature, direction and my speed.
Lastly with regards to pixel numbers, I doubt that I or anyone else would ever notice the difference between the 80 additional pixels that the 1243xsv has over the 943xsv. Similarly, the 8610xsv with 1,920 x 1,200 pixels puts it at 120 pixels more than your standard 1080p resolution. Which again, I doubt most people would be able to visually differentiate between 1,920 x 1,080 pixels compared to 1,920 x 1,200 pixels. I've got better than perfect vision at 20/10 and don't even notice that big of a difference between 720p and 1080 on YouTube videos except that sometimes they show as being brighter or slightly more vivid, but the claim is that most people can't even tell that there is a difference, and that's if you even have "perfect vision" at 20/20. I'm sure that one day all of these MFD's will be a minimum of 1080p or 4k but for the time being, my Garmin 943xsv being the good ole standard HD 720p is more than fine by me. If it was a bigger screen like a TV where we're talking about sometimes 65"-75" and greater then sure, I think that there's the argument for possibly getting a 4k TV since you could be sitting 10'+ away from your tv, maybe even a greater distance depending. On a 9"-12" MFD though, I think I'll be more than fine with 720p resolution, but if you've got money burning a hole in your pocket or simply want to spend more money on the screen that has more pixels, then buy whichever MFD you want to. It's your money and your boat, go check them out in person at your local retailer and see if you notice any difference between the two would be my suggestion.
When I typed in "Garmin 8610xsv" into a Google search it sent me to the first Garmin link, where if you look at the top above the picture you'll see where it says "Discontinued". It looks like what Garmin did was that they came out with the same identical model name of "Garmin 8610xsv" but gave it a new/slightly different model number of 010-02091-51 as opposed to the former which was 010-02091-03. So yes, I was mistaken there. And BOE Marine has the 8610xsv for $500 off, which again makes me think that they're going to be coming out with a new/replacement model soon. I'm not sure what, if any, difference there is between the two different model numbers but from the less than few minutes that I took to go over both, they appear to be the same. Although, I could obviously be mistaken.The Garmin 84xx/86xx are Garmin's top of the line chart plotters. They are not discontinued. The 943 and 1243 are newer "value" units that are not discontinued either. Garmin price fixes all their units and does not allow discounting. Over the last two years these models were in high demand and short supply. No one is giving them away.
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Pixels have nothing to do with how good your vision is. When a unit has more pixels it can plot on a larger canvas allowing you to see more area. Go ahead and do some factual testing before you spout off your misinformed theory.
I did say that I was mistaken, I believe? Also, your above comment was "Pixels have nothing to do with how good your vision is." which is completely false. I guess I'll wait to see some of this proof you're referring to over the next several days with your new Garmin compared to the old one...I guess that's an acknowledgment of a mis-statement on discontinued units.
You still don't get it on resolution. I'm not talking pretty pictures or video. It's actual detail on the plot. For a given scale chart plotters can plot a wider field of view of objects depending on the devices resolution.The result is you can see more of what is around you. This is independent of physical screen size.
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There is an added side effect of the resolution. There is a point where the chartplotter drops detail as you zoom out to let you see the bigger picture. This happened much earlier on low resolution screens. The result is you have to zoom back in to see detail but can't see "the bigger picture".
Both my 8612xsv and 943xsv are current Garmin models. Nothing "old" about them. So far Garmin lists both as "New". Garmin did not announce any new plotters are the Ft. Lauderdale show.I did say that I was mistaken, I believe? Also, your above comment was "Pixels have nothing to do with how good your vision is." which is completely false. I guess I'll wait to see some of this proof you're referring to over the next several days with your new Garmin compared to the old one...
I meant "old" in regards to your above comment in post #28 where you said "By the way I just bought another 8610xsv today to replace my 943xsv."... but then you knew that alreadyBoth my 8612xsv and 943xsv are current Garmin models. Nothing "old" about them. So far Garmin lists both as "New". Garmin did not announce any new plotters are the Ft. Lauderdale show.
I'll give you the 943xsv vs the 8612xsv comparisons. The 8610xsv actually has a slightly higher resolution (horizontal lines) than the 8612xsv. Sold my 4210. I can give everyone the "setup" and they can test other units.
Let’s give this thread back to the original creator and let him decide what to buy!
The 86xx series was introduced Feb 2016. The 943 was introduced in Sept 2020. The operative term should be "current" models as in not discontinued. I expect Garmin to continue these models for a few more years. They are state-of-the-art, fast CPU's, adequate memory and good displays. I'm sure they are working on the next generation.I meant "old" in regards to your above comment in post #28 where you said "By the way I just bought another 8610xsv today to replace my 943xsv."... but then you knew that already
Also, I'm not sure what's "New" about the Garmin 943xsv as I made a post on it back in October 2020 that you actually responded to as well. The 8610xsv has also been out for at least a year or two now, so I'm not sure what makes either of these as "New". Good day.
Cool looking new product from Garmin - Garmin GPSMAP 943xsv
This morning I got an email from BOE Marine and they listed some new products available, one of which is from Garmin and I must say it looks pretty decent, especially for the price. I sold my previous boat a couple weeks ago that I'd owned for over 3 years but before I did, I was looking at...www.greatgrady.com
Depth, heading, and whatever else you want is displayed on your MFD at all times. so only one display is ever needed.I see quite a few, if not most of Grady's with 2 displays. I assume on the older ones that is before they were multi-functioning displays (seperate chart plotter and depthsounder). Obviously anything newer is going to be MFD's. Is that for redundancy having 2 smaller displays vs 1 larger one?
The 265 I'm looking at has older electronics (not sure on the brand and model) and the older simrad AP11 autopilot. Electronics would be probably one of the first things to get upgraded.
I like the idea of having redundancy with 2 smaller displays, but also like the visual of 1 larger display.
Looking for pro and cons of each.
Thanks
So what are you going to do with the 943xsv?I'm replacing my newer 943xsv with the older 8610xsv because I want higher screen resolution on my overhead unit.