Repower for our 2001 Express 275

[bobpotomski]

We have a 2001 Express 265 with 2001 200 hp yamaha four strokes .
Approximately 1,300 hrs
Run great but concerned about reliability when we often go 50 + miles offshore

ready to upgrade . looking at 250 Yamahas . I’m concerned the 200 four cylinder would not have the torque I have with my 6 cylinder 200 s I have .

from what I see , weight on the new 250 is slightly less than what I have now .

Appreciate any advice…

 

[bobpotomski]

Tiltle sb 265 not 275

 

[bobpotomski]

Tiltle sb 265 not 275

 

[Wild blue]

I have a 1999 272 sailfish with 2018 yami 200’s, torque and speed isn’t a problem for me, I’m getting 2.1 mpg at 28mph and top out at 40 mph loaded with 4 guys, fuel, water etc,. I didn’t repower the boat so maybe I just don’t know any better but I like them,

 

[Mustang65fbk]

Maximum horsepower for your hull is 500 hp, though a few guys on here have rewpowered their boats with Suzuki 200's and had good results. Skunk boat would be one of those members, I'm sure he'll be along here shortly. Also, if your motors are 2001's, then I don't believe they will be 4 strokes as I don't think they came about until 2002 or 2003. I'm guessing you've likely got the HPDI's? Of which those are around 475 lbs a piece but a brand new Yamaha F250 is 551 lbs. Suzuki DF200's are 529 lbs a piece and the lightest would be a Mercury 200 FourStroke series at 475 lbs a piece, which is what you're currently at. The Mercury would also be a 6 cylinder as opposed to a 4 cylinder, if that's the route you wanted to go. Though I also think you'd be just fine with twin Suzuki 200's as well.

 

[SkunkBoat]

There are quite a few 265 repower threads going. DIAD is putting Zuke 250s on right now.

Many of us have put on zuke DF200APs and they are a great fit for the boat. With 4 blabe props plenty of umph. 1.5+mpg day in/day out.
Max out low 40mph. Anything over 40mph in a 265 is not comfortable anyways.

Would 250 be better? eh? maybe? You would cruise at lower rpm, maybe better mpg? Cost more, weigh more. Weight is a factor on the 2001 hull with the 22deg deadrise. They flattened it to 20 and raised the scuppers in 03 when the 4 strokes came out.

https://www.greatgrady.com/threads/265-express-suzuki-df200apxw2.29099/

 

[SkunkBoat]

from what I see , weight on the new 250 is slightly less than what I have now .

I'm pretty sure the Yamaha and Zuke 250 4 strokes are heavier than your 2 stroke 200s (OX66 or HPDI?). Mercs are lighter.

 

[bobpotomski]

Maximum horsepower for your hull is 500 hp, though a few guys on here have rewpowered their boats with Suzuki 200's and had good results. Skunk boat would be one of those members, I'm sure he'll be along here shortly. Also, if your motors are 2001's, then I don't believe they will be 4 strokes as I don't think they came about until 2002 or 2003. I'm guessing you've likely got the HPDI's? Of which those are around 475 lbs a piece but a brand new Yamaha F250 is 551 lbs. Suzuki DF200's are 529 lbs a piece and the lightest would be a Mercury 200 FourStroke series at 475 lbs a piece, which is what you're currently at. The Mercury would also be a 6 cylinder as opposed to a 4 cylinder, if that's the route you wanted to go. Though I also think you'd be just fine with twin Suzuki 200's as well.

Thanks for your input. My engines are definitely 4 stroke 2001 200 hp . They just started making them that year . They weigh about 580 each.

 

[Mustang65fbk]

Thanks for your input. My engines are definitely 4 stroke 2001 200 hp . They just started making them that year . They weigh about 580 each.

I'm looking online and can't find anywhere as to where they mention having made an F200 in 2001, though as mentioned before they did definitely have an F200 in 2002. Also, I don't see any 200 hp Yamaha outboard in 2001 with a weight of 580 lbs. The heaviest Yamaha 200 hp outboard in 2001 was 488 lbs. Either way, good luck with your inquiry and repower.

https://www.jdpower.com/boats/2001/yamaha/outboard-motors

 

[Saltyone]

We have a 2001 Express 265 with 2001 200 hp yamaha four strokes .
Approximately 1,300 hrs
Run great but concerned about reliability when we often go 50 + miles offshore

ready to upgrade . looking at 250 Yamahas . I’m concerned the 200 four cylinder would not have the torque I have with my 6 cylinder 200 s I have .

from what I see , weight on the new 250 is slightly less than what I have now .

Appreciate any advice…

Did Yamaha make a 6 cylinder 200 4 stroke in 2001? I don't think ive seen a 2001 265 with original 200s on it. It's always been 225s or 250s 2 strokes on the 00-01 years.

The issue is going to be the weight. Grady did a slight redesign in 2003 I believe, where they raised the scupper height to accommodate the weight of 4 strokes.

 

[Mustang65fbk]

Did Yamaha make a 6 cylinder 200 4 stroke in 2001? I don't think ive seen a 2001 265 with original 200s on it. It's always been 225s or 250s 2 strokes on the 00-01 years.

The issue is going to be the weight. Grady did a slight redesign in 2003 I believe, where they raised the scupper height to accommodate the weight of 4 strokes.

I'm almost positive that it was 2002 where Yamaha started making their first 4 stroke motors over 115 hp. I'm guessing that the OP likely either has HPDI outboards, which look very similar in color and shape to 4 strokes, or it's a different year of 4 stroke outboards. I think either the Suzuki 200 or any Mercury FourStroke series hp option will suit the OP quite nicely, as well as even a Yamaha F200. If it were me, I'd likely go with the Suzuki which would I'm assuming be the cheapest option and one that a few members have used with good results.

 

[OceanSun]

I'm almost positive that it was 2002 where Yamaha started making their first 4 stroke motors over 115 hp. I'm guessing that the OP likely either has HPDI outboards, which look very similar in color and shape to 4 strokes, or it's a different year of 4 stroke outboards. I think either the Suzuki 200 or any Mercury FourStroke series hp option will suit the OP quite nicely, as well as even a Yamaha F200. If it were me, I'd likely go with the Suzuki which would I'm assuming be the cheapest option and one that a few members have used with good results.

Wow {;>) Guy's regularly going 50 miles offshore and you're questioning whether he knows if he has 4 strokes or 2 strokes?! Give the poor guy some credit. There is significant torque difference between the v-6 and straight 4 200's. I personally wouldn't want to give up any low-end torque. Where that really matters is in the big stuff when it gets nasty offshore when you're going 10-12 knots and need to instantly adjust your position or attitude on a wave. Inland water, loose the weight and get the lighter engines but for offshore buy the torque. If you're already at 580 lbs/ea and aren't having a wet deck you should be good to go!

 

[bobpotomski]

Thanks for this great info . I had similar year 2001 issues verifying when I bought the boat 5 years ago .
funny thing is the weight reported for 2002 was much less than that showing for 2003 at 583 . How can that be ?

I need to contact Yamaha with my serial # to get to the bottom of this .⚓️

lots of conflicting info on internet

Wow {;>) Guy's regularly going 50 miles offshore and you're questioning whether he knows if he has 4 strokes or 2 strokes?! Give the poor guy some credit. There is significant torque difference between the v-6 and straight 4 200's. I personally wouldn't want to give up any low-end torque. Where that really matters is in the big stuff when it gets nasty offshore when you're going 10-12 knots and need to instantly adjust your position or attitude on a wave. Inland water, loose the weight and get the lighter engines but for offshore buy the torque. If you're already at 580 lbs/ea and aren't having a wet deck you should be good to go!

Thank you . Been fishing over 60 years with 4 on this rig . It is weird that my model is listed as 2001 which I agree does not align with reportrd spec . Also is concerning the weight in Jd powers for a 2002 is 475 but Goes to 583 in subsequent years . Does not make sense. I will contact Yamaha to figure out

 

[bobpotomski]

I'm looking online and can't find anywhere as to where they mention having made an F200 in 2001, though as mentioned before they did definitely have an F200 in 2002. Also, I don't see any 200 hp Yamaha outboard in 2001 with a weight of 580 lbs. The heaviest Yamaha 200 hp outboard in 2001 was 488 lbs. Either way, good luck with your inquiry and repower.

https://www.jdpower.com/boats/2001/yamaha/outboard-motors

Just verified that the engines were manufactured in 08/01. Must be considered a 02 then . What I don't understand is the weight listed for 02 on JD Powers was 475 lbs but increased to 583 in subsequent years, I think this may be a clerical error as the is the weight of HPDI 200 ..

 

[Mustang65fbk]

Wow {;>) Guy's regularly going 50 miles offshore and you're questioning whether he knows if he has 4 strokes or 2 strokes?! Give the poor guy some credit. There is significant torque difference between the v-6 and straight 4 200's. I personally wouldn't want to give up any low-end torque. Where that really matters is in the big stuff when it gets nasty offshore when you're going 10-12 knots and need to instantly adjust your position or attitude on a wave. Inland water, loose the weight and get the lighter engines but for offshore buy the torque. If you're already at 580 lbs/ea and aren't having a wet deck you should be good to go!

Look at the OP's most recent comment in regards to the year. Once again, I can't find anything online saying Yamaha produced a 2001 F200 or larger series of outboard until 2002. It really wouldn't be any different than if someone told me they had a 1962 Ford Mustang, considering that they didn't start producing the Ford Mustang until 1964.5, even though it was still vinned as a 1965 model.

 

[bobpotomski]

Date of manufacture on engine is 08/01 ..

 

[Mustang65fbk]

Date of manufacture on engine is 08/01 ..

I bought my boat back in October of 2021 from a Grady White dealership and the tech told me that Yamaha back then would label anything after I think it was May or June as the following model year. For example, my outboard has a manufactured date on it of 06/03 but is considered as a 2004 since it's after the mid point in the year. I've heard now that it's different and that they don't even have a manufactured date on there because it was confusing people, so they just use the serial number instead to look it up instead. Or at least that's just what I've heard from multiple people as well as read online. Regardless, as the GW tech from the dealership told me and as I mentioned above at least a couple of times now, it sounds as though you have an "early 2001" model but it is considered as a 2002.

 

[OceanSun]

Look at the OP's most recent comment in regards to the year. Once again, I can't find anything online saying Yamaha produced a 2001 F200 or larger series of outboard until 2002. It really wouldn't be any different than if someone told me they had a 1962 Ford Mustang, considering that they didn't start producing the Ford Mustang until 1964.5, even though it was still vinned as a 1965 model.

The stated or assumed date may be in question (which is now clear) but if a guy's been using these engines for 4 years going 50 miles offshore he certainly knows if they're 2-strokes or 4-strokes. Or to follow your Mustang example (and a '65 Fastback would be awesome both for the car itself and the year I was born - you have one?) He might not know the year but he'd know if it's gas or diesel {;>). All in good fun!

 

[bobpotomski]

I bought my boat back in October of 2021 from a Grady White dealership and the tech told me that Yamaha labels anything after I think it was May or June as the following model year. Or at least they did this for the early 2000's vintage of outboards like what I have. For example, mine has a manufacture date of 06/03 on it but is considered as a 2004. I've heard now that it's different and that they don't even have a manufactured date on there because it was confusing people, so they just use the serial number instead. I'm not positive on that, but that's just what I'd heard. Regardless, as the GW tech from the dealer told me and as I mentioned above, yes it sounds as though you had an "early 2001" but it is labeled or considered as a 2002.

Yes very confusing. Thanks for input.

 

[Mustang65fbk]

The stated or assumed date may be in question (which is now clear) but if a guy's been using these engines for 4 years going 50 miles offshore he certainly knows if they're 2-strokes or 4-strokes. Or to follow your Mustang example (and a '65 Fastback would be awesome both for the car itself and the year I was born - you have one?) He might not know the year but he'd know if it's gas or diesel {;>). All in good fun!

I imagine that in the 20+ years since they've been out that at least once, and that's being extremely conservative, someone who might not have known the most about boating, engines in general and so forth... confused their HPDI outboard for a 4 stroke. They look very similar with regards to the cowling, paint combination and so forth. I have better than perfect vision and there are times where I've seen pictures of them online and thought they were a 4 stroke until I zoomed in further on the picture. I do have a 1965 mustang fastback and have owned it sine I was 15. I've been to hundreds, maybe even thousands of car shows over the last 20+ years and honestly in that time I don't think I've ever heard of a classic car owner who forgot or didn't know what year their car was. While knowing the difference between gasoline and diesel is always a good thing, I'm not really sure how that correlates to an outboard being a 2 stroke vs 4 stroke? Either way, it sounds as though the OP learned something new about his boat today.