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Thought it best to continue my rant,er,"discussion" here as opposed to tying up gillyzonkers Seafarer thread.

If your winch setup is all the way forward, and the hull hangs off the bunks aft, than I'm inclined to believe your dealer put your Seafarer on a trailer in the yard that was already there as opposed to getting one sized properly for your boat. As mentioned in the other thread, a foot of distance seems a lot to me.

I have also experienced the "winch vs. bow pulpit" encounter. I finally figured out that if you just keep backing down and sinking the trailer deeper and deeper, the Grady will eventually float upward as the trailer submerges and float freely away from the winch stand. From your description, you have come up with a solution also.

Maybe most owners of Gradys live in coastal areas and are close to their respective ramps, but that's no excuse to undersize a trailer and put $50,000- $100,000 boats on them. Their just cutting corners to drive the price down and I have had enough trailer mishaps that I won't let them do it anymore. They beat the boat up going down the road when they aren't sprung and outfitted properly and when the trailer is too small to absorb all the jars and shakes, the boat, and all it's accessories do.

1.) A weld broke loose on the frame and consequently dropped the wheel well onto the tire, ruining the tire and causing a wrecker bill and a weld job at a local shop to save my vacation.
2.) My axles were undersized and misaligned so I was going thru bearings and it handled squirrly at hi speeds. I had a competent local guy install 7000 pounders and align them properly and my troubles stopped. This is on my Gulfstream trailer that I currently own.
3.)On my previous Seafarer, my axles were too light and they bent with the boat pushing down on them continually as I went over bumps and expansion joints over bridges, etc. The result was my tires wearing on the inside as the axles bent more and more. Kind of like if your camber was off in the front end of your vehicle. I had bigger 5000 lb axles installed; new tires, troubles over.

These dealers are not in the least worried about our trailer woes once they sell the outfit. I dearly love all my folks at Twin Cities Marine, but I had my own trailer built custom for my Gulfstream and STILL had all the crap happen that I described above. It's just unbeliveable.

Your like me and tow everywhere. If it's becomes an option as you indicated before, I highly recommend an oversize trailer. Nowadays, I can go to Marathon from Indy with a reasonable assurance of safety.
 

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All I know is both of my Seafarers (the 226 and 228) were on 7000 lb Loadmasters. Oversized I-beams...Kodiak brakes....SS hardware...front center bunks...radial tires...etc.... The trailer was not cheap, but I never had a problem with either one.

I add up the weights...add 15% cushion...and then step up to the next size. No reason to change what works...
 

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Hi Parth..
From your post, I read that you are in control of the trailer size and setup. There are many who trust the selling dealer to provide an adequate trailer and in many,maybe most cases, they don't.
If you have ever bought used, have you had to re-do or replace the existing trailer that your used boat came on?
 

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Whooops..
Just re-read your situation with the winch and the bow pulpit and realized your problem was winching it on, not floating it off. Sounds like you have it covered anyway.
 

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Magic and Parth:
I read the trailer specs the manufacturer put on the tongue...the load capacity is 7500 pounds but it is short. I barely have room for a spare tire and the keel of the bow hits the tire where it is mounted, which by the way is the only place to mount it. The trailer is a very nice oversized aluminum beam construction, but the Magic Trail put the crappiest brakes around on them. The actuator as you may recall failed on me because in their words I did not use pledge on it. They replaced the entire brake system with new parts and I paid the labor, but I need to upgrade the parts to kodiaks stuff or find another trailer.

I have some fish pics with my kids in front of the boat I can resize an attempt to post here you can see the trailer set up. I agree you spend alot of jack on a boat and they tend to put cheaper stuff under them. Honestly, would a $1,000 more for better fitting trailer with better brakes kill the deal for most buyers? I doubt it.

So Magic, lets find a way to get to Marathon together, like in January :lol: when it is cold and dreary here....Parth, you can join us too... in fact you have access to a nice place to stay too.... :wink:
 

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My guess is the dealer put your 228 on a 20-22 7000 lb trailer. While there is sufficient capacity weight wise, its not long enough.

Mine went on 22-24 7000 lb trailers....and yes - I was in control of the trailer procurement process.

The 180 is the first boat that I have purchased in over 15 years that came with a trailer. I've spent some time and $$$ fixing it up and its fine...I replaced the tires, springs, lights, some wiring, etc... Its going to get 2 new hubs between now and next Spring, simply because I can replace the hubs with Super Lube ones for less than it would cost me to pay a shop to tear them down, clean, replace the seals, and repack.

I'd be in for a mid-winter getaway somewhere...have a friend who has a place in Hilton Head, but HHI in Jan or Feb may not be warm enough. My sister has a place in Melbourne but I believe they have renters in there the entire Winter. My place in Miami would work, but you can't park a boat there....and my relatives who are gracious enough to allow one boat in their driveway when we visit probably would balk at 3.... :hmm
 

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Smoky.
I tried to send you a private message and it wouldn't let me. Could you send ME one so I can reply to it?

Parthery..Could you do the same? Thanks... Have a question...
 

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Thanks; Sent you a reply.
For whatever reason, I can reply to a PM but can't initially send one. I'm sure I'm too computer-challenged.

Smoky; If you read this, send me a PM.