Talk to me about the wings on a Canyon, specifically the 271

[luckydude]

As you guys might remember, I was looking for a better, faster, more comfortable ride home in the slop than my 228 can give me. We don't need to revisit all the slow down advice, that wasn't helpful, I have health problems that make it a lot more pressing for me to get home fast.

What prompted me wanting to go to a Marlin was riding in a friend's 271 center console. That hull is magic. A friend and I were out in Jens' 271 today and it reminded me all over again why I want bigger. But that center console *sucks* in my Pacific ocean, too small, too little protection, wet, yuck. But the hull? Frigging AMAZING. We came home at 30 knots in slop that would have launched my 228 over and over again, coming home in that I'd be on the throttle adjusting constantly. Jens set the auto pilot and the RPMs, and didn't touch the throttle or the wheel the whole time home.

My friend and I were just amazed. He said "I kept bracing myself for the impact and it never came". Yep, that's a nice hull.

Enough rambling, here is what I'm looking for. For those of you that have a walk around or an express, have any of you been on a Canyon with wings, so it is better protection than a center console? If so, how was it?

Because I'm starting to wonder if my forever Grady is a 271 with the wings out, not as protected as a walk around or an express but good enough.

 

[HMBJack]

To all: The saga continues...

To LuckyDude: The only boat better than a Grady-White, is a bigger Grady-white.

 

[magicalbill]

What happened to the Cat Hull? Thought that was the way you were going?

 

[luckydude]

What happened to the Cat Hull? Thought that was the way you were going?

I just couldn't get over .8-1mpg. For some reason, 2mpg is fine in my brain, less than 1mpg is not. It's a double wammy because right now I can trailer to a distant harbor to chase whatever fish, but if I get a big boat, everything is going to be out and back from the same harbor. I'd easily have 60 mile days and 100 mile days would happen. That a $600 gas bill for one day fishing, that's just a little nuts. I know it is an expensive hobby and I know I'm not being rational, but 1mpg is not for me. Sue me, I'm weird

 

[Mustang65fbk]

What about something like the 265 Express or a 282 Sailfish? Both of those boats have either a 9'6" or 9'7" beam, of which comparatively the 271 Canyon that also has a 9'6" beam and the length's of the boats are also fairly similar. The dry weights of the boats are also almost the exact same as well in that the dry weight of the 271 Canyon is 5,790 lbs and the dry weight of the 282 Sailfish is only 10 lbs heavier at 5,800 lbs. One of those walkaround's might be a happy medium of keeping you warm and dry as well as having a larger, wider hull to make for a more comfortable ride and not be absolutely heinous with regards to fuel economy?

 

[luckydude]

What about something like the 265 Express or a 282 Sailfish? Both of those boats have either a 9'6" or 9'7" beam, of which comparatively the 271 Canyon that also has a 9'6" beam and the length's of the boats are also fairly similar. The dry weights of the boats are also almost the exact same as well in that the dry weight of the 271 Canyon is 5,790 lbs and the dry weight of the 282 Sailfish is only 10 lbs heavier at 5,800 lbs. One of those walkaround's might be a happy medium of keeping you warm and dry as well as having a larger, wider hull to make for a more comfortable ride and not be absolutely heinous with regards to fuel economy?

Both of those are no longer made, right? The sailfish is what I'd buy if I could buy new but apparently Grady doesn't care about cold weather boats, too bad.

I'm really leery of used boats, been burned once. If either of those were built in the last 5-10 years and I could find a cherry one, sure, that's a fine answer. But I think I'm just engaging in wishful thinking.

Also, I want modern digital controls on the engines. Just seems like the sailfish/express are old.

 

[Mustang65fbk]

Both of those are no longer made, right? The sailfish is what I'd buy if I could buy new but apparently Grady doesn't care about cold weather boats, too bad.

I'm really leery of used boats, been burned once. If either of those were built in the last 5-10 years and I could find a cherry one, sure, that's a fine answer. But I think I'm just engaging in wishful thinking.

Also, I want modern digital controls on the engines. Just seems like the sailfish/express are old.

Correct... it looks like they made the 282 Sailfish up until 2008 and then stopped making them from the 2009 model year and onward. They have 17 of them currently for sale on Boat Trader, might be something to consider and maybe looking at one that needs a re-power so that you can have the digital controls? There are also two boats that have been re-powered on BT as well, unknown if they have the digital throttle controls though or not. I always have a marine surveyor inspect or look over any boat purchase that I make when it's possible and have the time for one, especially if it's a used boat that is 10+ years old. Good luck!

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[Punchline Cap]

I’m not 100% sure but isn’t the hull the same on the Canyon 271 and the Freedom 275 Dual Console? I know the hull is the same on my Fisherman 236 and the Freedom 235. The dual console with the hardtop seems more conducive to canvas than a center console in my opinion. Good luck, I know picking out a brand new boat can be distressing.

 

[Fishermanbb]

Wings are ok but you can get custom canvas made that will enclose the entire helm and roll up when you want it out of the way. With that set-up fully employed it’s like being in a pilot house. I’ve seen it on a 271, 306, and 336 and it’s sweet. win gs really help but wont get you all the way there if it’s cold or really windy out.

 

[mr_mbuna]

I’m not 100% sure but isn’t the hull the same on the Canyon 271 and the Freedom 275 Dual Console? I know the hull is the same on my Fisherman 236 and the Freedom 235. The dual console with the hardtop seems more conducive to canvas than a center console in my opinion. Good luck, I know picking out a brand new boat can be distressing.

The 275 Freedom has the same hull as a 273 Chase; both are 8'6" beam. The 271 Canyon has a 9'6" beam. The result is a much more substantial boat: the 271 (5790 lbs dry) is about 50% heavier than the 273 (3975 lbs dry), despite having a LOA within 1" of one another.

Anyway, on the 275 Freedom, with front and side curtains, you have a nicely enclosed helm. It cuts through the NorCal chop pretty well and has the length to ride across Bay swells rather than pounding up and down each one. At 26'11" LOA and 8'6" beam it's pretty close to the 3:1 ideal ratio of length:width. I can run across the SF Bay on a windy/choppy day at 28 mph getting >2 mpg without many throttle or steering corrections.

I wouldn't run a center console in NorCal but there are guys that do. I want more protection in our area. In the Grady line, that means a Express 265, Freedom 255/275/285, Sailfish 282, Marlin 300. Outside of Grady, I have a secret obsession with the Steiger-Craft 255 DV Miami.

@luckydude, if you want to test out a 275, I'd be happy to take you out. I don't really go offshore but maybe you can guide me and we'll both get something out of the trip! My boat lives in Alameda.

This is my 275:



And this is a Steiger 255 in my marina - awesome fishing weapon and I bet that enclosed cabin is so nice in NorCal:



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[SkunkBoat]

I have a 265xpress. Dry. heavy. 22 degree hull. Gets everyone home dry in +20kt winds 3 to 5ft at 30mph on autopilot.

I have fished on a few 27-31 ft CCs with and without wings. Big CCs ride great if you are standing at, or seated in, the helm chairs. The helm is positioned on a CC for the best ride.
There is no good seating anywhere else. People sit in bean bags with foul weather gear. But they get there fast and get home fast.

The 27 bowrider will have a nice dry ride but you are not positioned to ride as well at the helm. But more of your crew will be happy

 

[Halfhitch]

I have a center console and had a custom canvas guy make a set of wings. If you need them only occasionally like here in Florida they make sense but if it is something you think you would need all the time I think you would regret the CC.

 

[Bird Blaster]

To all: The saga continues...

To LuckyDude: The only boat better than a Grady-White, is a bigger Grady-white.

This

Just find a boat that you like the layout of. You seem to like the layout of the 228... just get a bigger one. Bigger is more stable. Bigger you can go faster in bad seas. Bigger costs more in gas. It isn't rocket science.

 

[Jrspawn]

Here we go again...

Like was posted many many times in your previous posts.... get some real world in person experience and seat time on the boats in question. It seemed like whenever people gave you advice before it would be shot down, questioned, or flipped around how your pacific conditions were different than what others could compare with. Find a dealer with one available or find someone in the region with one to ask to go out with. Im sure they wouldn't have an issue doing so!

 

[Bird Blaster]

This guy seems to did just fine in the pacific w the marlin. Pick a layout you like. Enjoy the boat and learn when and where you can take it in what weather.

or buy a Viking.