Worthwhile to repower Journey from F225 to F250? Suzuki 300?

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I have a 2003 F225 on a 258 with fewer than 200 hours on it and a yearn for a touch more speed and the new instruments.

Do you think I'll get much of a boost in cruise and top end?

Is this a $10k trade up, more / less?

Thanks!

- Robert
 

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Going from an F225 to F250 might gain you about 3-4mph more in cruise and speed, but I believe in most boat tests the F250 burns more fuel then the F225, IMHO it is not worth 10k, but if speed is that big of a factor, maybe it is for your use. As for going to a 300 suzuki, you might get 5k as a trade in value, trade ins are never what the engine is really worth. You would do better selling it on your own and might get closer to 7-9k, not exact what they are selling for used. Going to a different brand will require all new controls, so whatever the 300zuke costs, add another grand+ to the cost. The 300 zuke might add about 5-7mph more in speed and might suit your need for speed better. I was going to recommend twin F150's, but the cruise is roughly the same with less fuel economy. To repower a perfectly good engine to gain speed would not be justification enough for me to repower, gaining maneuverability and safety of twins would add to that, but may not suit your want for more speed as well as your overall use of the boat. Compare numbers for a new 258 journey on Grady's website, it is basically the same hull as your boat. With the F350, the fuel drops off and you gain about 4mph at cruise. The 300 zuke fits in the middle of that engine and your current one. This will give you an idea of what you might expect of a 300zuke. Although the 300 zuke has been known to be fuel efficient, they are not as fast as some other brands so you may not gain as much speed as you would think.
IMHO it would be more economical to cruise at a higher rpm and use your current engine then it would be to spend upwards of 10k and gain maybe 3-4mph and still be burning more fuel since it is a bigger engine.
 

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Too bad he's not a 2 stroke guy, the ETEC 300 will be like night and day, I would expect.

Yamaha doesn't have an engine for him.
The F300 will sink the boat !
 

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Rob: I'll tell you my experience and then my opinion. My 258 with an F250 runs 26-27 mph at 4000 rpm while getting 3 mpg in calm water. It tops out at 6000 rpm and 42 mph. I burn something less than 2 gal/hour at trolling speed.

I believe you will find that the F250 will get the boat up on plane considerably quicker than the F225 will. I have run both and the F250 provides a noticeable difference.

I have 738 hours in 3 years and the F250 has been flawless.

On the downside. The F250 requires 89 octane while the F225 requires only 87 octane. And the F225 is, in my opinion, a bit more quiet than the F250.

Another consideration would be an F350. I presume it would bolt into the same transom holes, but I don't know that for sure. And it would weigh over 100 lbs. less than twin F150s, so the balance of the boat should be just about perfect.

Good luck and let us know what you decide.

Rob
 

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To mount an F350 you would likely have to mod that transom, along with the transom and stringer connection, that is a lot more weight situated at one single point on that boat, these points may need to be beefed. Grady did not design the transom to handle that much weight at a single point, they did design it to handle the weight over a larger region when installing twins. they are two different weight loads and will act differently on the transom and boats structures. Before I would go with that heavy of an engine, I would consider beefing the transom up to handle the weight as well as the torque that will be applied by that big engine. I believe that boat could handle the engine, but the transom itself I would question. The weight of the 300 zuke would be about max that that transom could handle as built with a single. I would check with Grady, but I believe they will tell you something similar and not encourage an F350. I believe they have already stated that all previous models are not encouraged to be repowered with F350's, only new boats designed for them should have them. Mounting the motor is not really a huge issue.
 

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I'm told by a Grady dealer (but not my local dealer whom I know and trust), that Grady did not change the transom of the 258 to handle the F350. The four bolt holes line up with the existing bolt holes from the F200/F225/F250, but there are two additional bolts, for a total of six, to handle the F350.

Also told, but again, have not seen, that the sloped cowling of the F350 will allow it to tilt up out of the water on a 258. But its gotta be real close!

That said, the F250 is enough power while still getting (for a boat) good fuel efficiency.

Rob
 

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I have '95 Gulfstream that I repowered with the 300 Suzuki last year. Without going to twins this is a perfect repower for this boat.
 

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Rob: I conveyed what turned out to be bad info. I learned from my delaer today that pre-2008 Grady's are not designed to handle the F350.

Rob