Yamaha repower questions

[Deep Blue]

Hello all,
Eventually I'm going to repower my Sailfish with either two new F225's or two F250's; I know there's a lot of static on various forums, especially The Hull Truth, about Yamaha engines but I believe they're a sound design.

Has anyone repowered recently with brand new Yamahas? Do Yamaha dealers discount the engines or is it full price? Also, what ancillary expenses are common? I would assume that if the old engines are running and not spewing oil everywhere I could sell them on the second hand market.

Thanks in advance.

 

[Ky Grady]

The place that works on my boat in SC said their Yamaha rep has told them V6 availability for repower will hopefully be August. I think Central Marine in Florida may be able to get their hands on them for repower quicker as they seem to be one of the largest shows in town,,,I guess size does matter in this instance.

 

[Fishtales]

Engine availability has been a problem, so line up what you need in advance. No idea of recent pricing but I'd imagine the supply issue doesn't help.
The F225 and F250 I believe are basically the same engine so from a weight perspective, no issue going big. Just check that you are not overpowering the hull. Some insurance companies won't insure and you could have a problem if there ever was an issue that could be tied to over powering. Both models are solid from a reliability perspective. Don't let anybody steer you otherwise. Always a market for used engines or parts.

 

[Legend]

Here is a copy of a quote that I got last year for 4.2 L engines. The difference between twin 225s and 250s was $1,200 or 600 per engine. This quote was for digital and electric shifting. Yamaha now has a mechanical option for repowering. It is a 4.2L engine but is much cheaper option using your current steering and shifters.

 

[Deep Blue]

Engine availability has been a problem, so line up what you need in advance. No idea of recent pricing but I'd imagine the supply issue doesn't help.
The F225 and F250 I believe are basically the same engine so from a weight perspective, no issue going big. Just check that you are not overpowering the hull. Some insurance companies won't insure and you could have a problem if there ever was an issue that could be tied to over powering. Both models are solid from a reliability perspective. Don't let anybody steer you otherwise. Always a market for used engines or parts.

From what I've read, the Sailfish 282 accepts either 225's or 250's, 500 hp is the maximum for the boat.

 

[Legend]

From what I've read, the Sailfish 282 accepts either 225's or 250's, 500 hp is the maximum for the boat.

My Sailfish 2004 282 is rated for up to 600 HP. 2003 they had a rating for 500.

 

[Deep Blue]

My Sailfish 2004 282 is rated for up to 600 HP. 2003 they had a rating for 500.

Correct, I have a 2003. I wonder what the extra 100 hp gets you in speed...

 

[Legend]

Correct, I have a 2003. I wonder what the extra 100 hp gets you in speed...

I went from 225's to 250's and there is a noticeable upgrade in power and speed although I have to admit the 225s were a very nice match for the boat.
I'm not sure I would want another 100HP Interesting I have never seen a Sailfish with 600HP on them. I did see one advertised for sale last year in CT.

 

[Motivator]

I repowered my 06 282 back in 2016. Had 250's and replaced with 250's. It was basically a plug and play scenario since I stayed with the mechanical shifters. I believe the 4.2L required different battery cables, other than that everything was reusable. If I could have gotten mechanical 300's I would have gone that route, but they weren't available at the time.

 

[Oceanbean]

Anyone put the new Evinrude G2's on a GW 282 Sailfish. The motors are impressive, 7 or 10 year warranty etc..
Serious considering switching from Yamaha to the G2 for a repower.
Wondering how the clearance is in the transom well when tilted up? The boarding ladder in on the cockpit bulkhead.

thanks,

Oceanbean
2004 GW282 with F225.

 

[LouisR]

Hi All,
Good to read the thread, as it appears I have blown one engine. I guess all of your comments relate to repowering with 4 Stroke engines? I have a 2002 Sailfish 282 with Yamaha 200HP HPDIs, with about 1,000 hours use. Given the changes to laws there are not many 2 stroke options and to be honest 2 stroke fumes when trolling for 8 hours is unpleasant. The manual says my 2002 282 (dry weight 5,500lbs) is limited to 450HP power on transom, as I will be going to 4 stroke engines I will need at least 225HP but considering 250 also.
Three questions:
1) did the hull weight and transom change over time with the Sailfish 282?
2) assuming the hull weights are constant, does the 225HP 4 stroke provide similar performance to the 200HP HPDI or should I consider 250HP?
3) has anyone tried Mercury/Verado 4 stroke motors?
Thanks in anticipation.
LouisR

 

[Mr.crab]

Hi All,
Good to read the thread, as it appears I have blown one engine. I guess all of your comments relate to repowering with 4 Stroke engines? I have a 2002 Sailfish 282 with Yamaha 200HP HPDIs, with about 1,000 hours use. Given the changes to laws there are not many 2 stroke options and to be honest 2 stroke fumes when trolling for 8 hours is unpleasant. The manual says my 2002 282 (dry weight 5,500lbs) is limited to 450HP power on transom, as I will be going to 4 stroke engines I will need at least 225HP but considering 250 also.
Three questions:
1) did the hull weight and transom change over time with the Sailfish 282?
2) assuming the hull weights are constant, does the 225HP 4 stroke provide similar performance to the 200HP HPDI or should I consider 250HP?
3) has anyone tried Mercury/Verado 4 stroke motors?
Thanks in anticipation.
LouisR

If your boat is rated for 450 HP max you stay there for insurance reasons, Yamaha 4.2L offshore has 300 HP
power head, rated at 225 HP means same low end less top end. Have the 225 HP 4.2L on my Marlin no problems.

 

[ocnslr]

The manual says my 2002 282 (dry weight 5,500lbs) is limited to 450HP power on transom, as I will be going to 4 stroke engines I will need at least 225HP but considering 250 also.
LouisR

Our 2002 Islander 270 was rated at 500HP, as is your 2002 Sailfish 282. First image from 2002 GW brochure, and second image from 2002 Sailfish 282 Owner's Manual.

 

[LouisR]

Thanks Mr Crab and OCNSR,

Interestingly the only difference on the page of my manual (see below) is the 450HP vs your 500HP above, OCNSR.
I guess if the Marlin goes well with the 225HP Yamaha 4 Strokes, then so should the 282 which is a lighter boat. Obviously you found no problems with the extra 70kg (155lb) hanging off the transom Mr Crab?

The Mercury 225HP is the same weight as the existing 200HPDI, 475lbs (215kg), 77lbs lighter each engine. I have had small merc outboards and a merc V6 inboard in the past and they all performed well. Just wondering if anyone has tried them when re-powering a GW?
Thanks,
LouisR

 

[Mr.crab]

Thanks Mr Crab and OCNSR,

Interestingly the only difference on the page of my manual (see below) is the 450HP vs your 500HP above, OCNSR.
I guess if the Marlin goes well with the 225HP Yamaha 4 Strokes, then so should the 282 which is a lighter boat. Obviously you found no problems with the extra 70kg (155lb) hanging off the transom Mr Crab?

The Mercury 225HP is the same weight as the existing 200HPDI, 475lbs (215kg), 77lbs lighter each engine. I have had small merc outboards and a merc V6 inboard in the past and they all performed well. Just wondering if anyone has tried them when re-powering a GW?
Thanks,
LouisR
Louis, my motors were on a 1994 sailfish, then I moved them to the Marlin. The Yamaha 4.2 L is lightest
4 strokes on the market. The motors are the same, just computer mapping changes HP. Put the max
HP once you get it figured out.

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[Deep Blue]

Hi All,
Good to read the thread, as it appears I have blown one engine. I guess all of your comments relate to repowering with 4 Stroke engines? I have a 2002 Sailfish 282 with Yamaha 200HP HPDIs, with about 1,000 hours use. Given the changes to laws there are not many 2 stroke options and to be honest 2 stroke fumes when trolling for 8 hours is unpleasant. The manual says my 2002 282 (dry weight 5,500lbs) is limited to 450HP power on transom, as I will be going to 4 stroke engines I will need at least 225HP but considering 250 also.
Three questions:
1) did the hull weight and transom change over time with the Sailfish 282?
2) assuming the hull weights are constant, does the 225HP 4 stroke provide similar performance to the 200HP HPDI or should I consider 250HP?
3) has anyone tried Mercury/Verado 4 stroke motors?
Thanks in anticipation.
LouisR

Louis,
I received this reply directly from Grady White re: when did GW beef up their boats to handle the heavier four-strokes:



Looks like your lucky day! With regards to question 2, the Yamaha 225 four stroke is quieter, has far less fumes, provides greater mileage and is more powerful.

 

[LouisR]

Louis,
I received this reply directly from Grady White re: when did GW beef up their boats to handle the heavier four-strokes:

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Looks like your lucky day! With regards to question 2, the Yamaha 225 four stroke is quieter, has far less fumes, provides greater mileage and is more powerful.

Mr Crab and Deep Blue,
Thanks. All very helpful info for me.
Now for the decisions on my part.
Louis

 

[Toothpick 10]

Has anyone considered Yamaha's 4-cylinder 200 HP motor? That is the motor that my local GW dealer recommended to me if I decide to repower my 2002 Islander. He recently quoted $40,000 for the complete installation.

 

[ocnslr]

Has anyone considered Yamaha's 4-cylinder 200 HP motor? That is the motor that my local GW dealer recommended to me if I decide to repower my 2002 Islander. He recently quoted $40,000 for the complete installation.

We purchased out 2002 Islander 270 new in March 2002 with a single 250HP OX66. Repowered in Oct 2005 to twin F150s, and we were very happy with them.

If doing it now, the new F200s would be my choice and I think they are plenty of power for that boat. We had a WOT speed with a fishing load of 43MPH. I have a friend with F250s and he can do 54MPH. So the F200s should put you somewhere in between, and that should be a happy place.

 

[SkunkBoat]

I was just going to chime in and say the best fit are a pair of 4 cylinder 200s from Yamaha (I've had a price of $40k digital, all in) or Suzuki ($36K digital, all in). 26 in centers, lighter than V6s
The Mercury V6 225s ($40k all in...if they ever become available for re-powers) are intriguing. lighter than the 4 cylinders! Watching their reviews on new boats this season. Might go that route. If not its Suzukis.